Curious eBay photos of a curious 105.012-64, listed by FL jeweler

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airansun

·Sep 8, 2019

In my eBay wanderings, I came to examine this 105.012-64 that looked rather nice. Pushers, bezel and case are all excellent. But, maybe too nice — those hands look prepared, so to speak.

The seller’s ad says: “Excellent and original dial with luminecent hands and markers.” Hmm...a way to say what? Luminova hands and touched up, relumed original dial?

So, I magnified photos to examine the lume.

Look what I found, in all the head-on shots of the watch.

Talk about ghost bezels! Where can I get one of these hands?

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/193090865558

Just another contribution to the ongoing ‘discussion’ about edited and/or misleading seller photos.

BTW, I do have to assume the hands are new to the watch, from a non-head on shot:

Edited: Sep 8, 2019

 

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The Father

·Sep 8, 2019

Would the endlinks be stamped “16” in the same location consistently? Or are there differences to be expected?
Add doesn’t say authentic bracelet. Educating my eyes

Top two photos are from authentic end links
Bottom is the watch in add

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alam

·Sep 8, 2019

what's going on w/the pushers? one appears to sit lower than the other one...

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airansun

·Sep 8, 2019

While we’re on the subject, has anyone seen sub dials like these, where the paint runs right up the sides to the top of the rim and sometimes briefly onto the main face surface?

All of mine are better painted than this, I think.

One example of mine:

Theirs also has shallower subdials.

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airansun

·Sep 8, 2019

Pushers and crown appear to be okay to me. I don’t know enough to comment on the bracelet or the end links.

To be clear, I do find this watch very tempting, for what’s right about it.

But those photos...
That dial...

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td69

·Sep 8, 2019

Once unclasped, the number "16" on the upper end link magically disappears.. 🤦

 

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wsfarrell

·Sep 8, 2019

td69

Once unclasped, the number "16" on the upper end link magically disappears.. 🤦

Wow, great catch!

 

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DotOverNine

·Sep 9, 2019

td69

Once unclasped, the number "16" on the upper end link magically disappears.. 🤦

WOW. Simply amazing. Pure case of fraud.

"Authenticity verified" and so on...

"100% Positive feedback"

 

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oddboy

·Sep 9, 2019

I believe there is a theory that there are two different "16" stamped end links. One type has the numbers straight up and down, the other on a slight tilt.

https://omegaforums.net/threads/repro-no-16-endlinks.45072/page-2

 

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airansun

·Sep 9, 2019

@oddboy : and what are your thoughts on the dial? Have you ever seen anything like it?

 

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S.H.

·Sep 9, 2019

Also, tachy scale is misaligned 😁 one more alarm bell.

 

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Lucasssssss

·Sep 9, 2019

These endlinks are fake in my opinion. The numbering is too consistent, a closer photo would help to confirm.

 

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The Father

·Sep 9, 2019

Maybe the Swiss trained watch mechanic had something to do with the magic end link numbers that appear and disappear. Photographic anomalies must be part of the Swiss training also.

 

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oddboy

·Sep 10, 2019

airansun

@oddboy : and what are your thoughts on the dial? Have you ever seen anything like it?

The subdial markers is surely a concern as far as my experience tells me. The shallowness of the subdials is less of a concern to me, though the only other shallow ones I've seen have been on late 2998s.

But yet, the lume looks ok, and the dial shows none of the other tells I've come to know (such as pointy 4's).

In my humble and surely not authoritative opinion, the dial has at least been touched up. Personally, I wouldn't buy based on the subdial marker paint... But then, you can see so much more with the watch in hand.