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Meme-Dweller
·Is the red laser in their Facebook / Insta videos connected to Ultraman though?
Could this be the return of Ultraman?
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larryganz
·All these big brands are just showing that they are run by suits, for profit, who do not let, or do not have, an imaginative, a watch designer or development department that is allowed free reign.
By trawling their archives to use designs from the past, to shore up profits in the present, they are setting themselves up for having nothing to look back in the future from this time.
Where is the Ultraman of today? Where is the 2915 of today? I dont mean the actual watches (look at all the re issues - who will want those in 20 years?), I mean the new design that future generations will look back on and covet as desirable, and interesting examples of the time.
Suits in corporations run for the benefit of shareholders find it very difficult not to rely only on historically proven designs, which would be fine if they continued to develop new ideas. The concept of a product failure is unacceptable to the board, apparently. If we look back at iconic design houses, including Omega, they had some real turkeys in with the gold.
That seems a risk that none of the big corporate houses want to take, so instead they churn out repros.
I think that Omega pulled it off with a watch like the Planet Ocean 2500, or the Dark and Grey Sides of the Moon. I believe that the Planet Ocean 2500 could have been a classic design that would survive for the ages, like the Rolex Submariner, and the POLMLE was the Piéce de Résistance. They couldn't leave well enough alone.
If the POLMLE had not been an LE, I think that it would have passed up the Submariner in terms of popularity and desirability. So while we want them to innovate and create new modern watch masterpieces, they not only resurrect old discontinued designs but they also mess with both their classics and their more recent perfect designs.
They had to go and make the Planet Ocean thicker and heavier, although the later Titanium version would wear more like the Planet Ocean 2500 due to less weight and being less top heavy. But the Ti price was up in the Submariner territory, and so I imagine that a lot of people still went for the Rolex name brand recognition (lemmings) for a similar price.
They dropped the SMP wave dial and that freaked out a lot of other Omega fans. They weren't going retro there, but moving forward (which in my case I think looks better now with glossy ceramic bezel and dial). But a lot of Rolex purists also freaked out when Rolex changed the lugs and dial of the Submariner, which subtly changed the character of the watch as well. So I wonder, which one do people here think changed the most, the glossy SMPc, the Planet Ocean 8500, or the maxi dial ceramic Subs, and for the better or worse?
So I believe that the Planet Ocean 2500 and modern SMPc steered away from that vintage reproduction formula, as did watches like the DSOTM and GSOTM or X-33 Skywalker, and went into a new and more modern direction. But Omega should also keep some of the more classic product lines and designs so that they all become classics and icons of the brand (like the moon watch and SMP).
This while innovating and adding new models or versions, as they've done with the 9300/9900 based watches for example. They could continue to add more color options to the classic base models, without making everything else an LE model, and without dropping the classic designs to which they feel the need to go back to a few years later.
But so far they've made the Planet Ocean thicker and heavier, and then added a bezel that's too busy - they've changed the AT vertical teak dial to horizontal lines that make it look fat, after removing the box around the date window that balanced out the dial on the Skyfall - these being subtle changes that nobody asked for. The worst part is that they churn out too many LE Speedmaster Pros of which a large number of people would like to see on the regular Omega watch roster, and can't currently buy without paying 2x MSRP (meteorite dials, panda dials, white dials).
So, in regards to, "By trawling their archives to use designs from the past, to shore up profits in the present, they are setting themselves up for having nothing to look back in the future from this time." I do think that years down the line people will still be looking for a Planet Ocean 2500 and Aqua Terra Skyfall, which were discontinued but fairly new in the Omega timeline. You might have to add the DSOTM and GSOTM to the list when they screw those up later, or discontinue them as well.
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Spacefruit
··Prolific Speedmaster HoarderOnly one real way to find out: request an Extraction.
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Cad290
·http://forums.watchuseek.com/f29/ra...atch-one-classic-4661873.html#/topics/4661873
I’d much rather own that than pay slightly more for one of 3000 Ultraman reissues.
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CPRwatch
·Ok guys n gals ,not up on the ultra man reference but really want to know ,so what's the deal with this reference . In other words ,what makes this watch different from other speedmasters .
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Vicke
·Ok guys n gals ,not up on the ultra man reference but really want to know ,so what's the deal with this reference . In other words ,what makes this watch different from other speedmasters .
Here's a Speedy Tuesday article on the Ultraman: https://www.fratellowatches.com/speedmaster-ultraman/
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eugeneandresson
·Ya it requires a little knowledge, persistence, effort, and luck to find a good one for a good price, but that’s the fun part! Check out this beauty that just sold:
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f29/ra...atch-one-classic-4661873.html#/topics/4661873
I’d much rather own that than pay slightly more for one of 3000 Ultraman reissues.
Good luck finding that deal again.
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CPRwatch
·Here's a Speedy Tuesday article on the Ultraman: https://www.fratellowatches.com/speedmaster-ultraman/
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rainking
·I fear you guys are going to be quite disappointed this week.
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Robert-Jan
··#SpeedyTuesdayI fear you guys are going to be quite disappointed this week.
I don't see the connection either and what I do know is that the Seamaster and 300M have something to celebrate 😀 I feel that last year was a great Speedmaster year, and this year the focus is on the other 'master'.
RJ
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rainking
·From the recently started and redundant thread, @gixxer47 wrote:
Wave dial on seamaster diver 300m is coming back but I don't think that is what these videos are referring to. Omega usually uses lasers to engrave into their ceramics. Check the Omega YouTube videos on how they make the DSOTM pieces and ceramic/liquidmetal bezels.
And since Basel is just days away, I'm gonna play spoiler on what I do know! Lol
DSOTM Speedmaster Professional, new 1869 movement with moon like patterns on bridges, sort of a skeleton look.
FOIS panda, red second hand, pulsometer bezel. I like the look on this one!
I'll stop there.... it'll all be official in a few days
Wave dial on seamaster diver 300m is coming back but I don't think that is what these videos are referring to. Omega usually uses lasers to engrave into their ceramics. Check the Omega YouTube videos on how they make the DSOTM pieces and ceramic/liquidmetal bezels.
And since Basel is just days away, I'm gonna play spoiler on what I do know! Lol
DSOTM Speedmaster Professional, new 1869 movement with moon like patterns on bridges, sort of a skeleton look.
FOIS panda, red second hand, pulsometer bezel. I like the look on this one!
I'll stop there.... it'll all be official in a few days
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Riviera Paradise
·From the recently started and redundant thread, @gixxer47 wrote:
Wave dial on seamaster diver 300m is coming back but I don't think that is what these videos are referring to. Omega usually uses lasers to engrave into their ceramics. Check the Omega YouTube videos on how they make the DSOTM pieces and ceramic/liquidmetal bezels.
And since Basel is just days away, I'm gonna play spoiler on what I do know! Lol
DSOTM Speedmaster Professional, new 1869 movement with moon like patterns on bridges, sort of a skeleton look.
FOIS panda, red second hand, pulsometer bezel. I like the look on this one!
I'll stop there.... it'll all be official in a few days
Yep agreed I heard the FOIS panda does have a red second hand and Pulsations dial + perforated black strap with white stitching😉
Ref the DSOTM skeleton look it had been posted before...interesting that this is going to be on the Speedy Pro...so perhaps this could the Apollo 8 50th LE?
Ref the laser agreed that is has been used other watches such as Speedy XI 45...but I think we cannot forget the clue in the message...THEY ARE BACK...i.e. something in plural that has come and gone...waves on the SMP seems pretty consistent to me.
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Ninja2789
·I'm both excited, but also saddened that it might actually be an Ultraman remake.
Excited because I love the ultraman reference and this would be a great opportunity to pick one up.
Saddened, because it doesn't seem really that hard to reissue an ultraman reference. I mean, I get the difference in the dial and the chronosweep. But still, I do think there's something to be said on how to innovate and not just push out copies from the historical archive.
Excited because I love the ultraman reference and this would be a great opportunity to pick one up.
Saddened, because it doesn't seem really that hard to reissue an ultraman reference. I mean, I get the difference in the dial and the chronosweep. But still, I do think there's something to be said on how to innovate and not just push out copies from the historical archive.
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BenBagbag
·I really don't think they would release the same exact version of the Ultraman. If the dial difference is barely perceptible to a bunch of us vintage people how are they going to explain it to a wider audience? If this an Ultraman inspired-watch, I assume it will be an interpretation and will have a bit more that makes it stand out. A simple re-release would be stale to say the least.
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tyrantlizardrex
·Clearly sharks with frickin’ laser beams.
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Nathan1967
·Clearly sharks with frickin’ laser beams.
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astrand
·I said this in the other Basel thread, but my bet is on the laser cutting waves into the dial of the updated seamaster. The bond intro music suddenly coming on would be a nice touch.
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ScubaPro
·All these big brands are just showing that they are run by suits, for profit, who do not let, or do not have, an imaginative, a watch designer or development department that is allowed free reign.
By trawling their archives to use designs from the past, to shore up profits in the present, they are setting themselves up for having nothing to look back in the future from this time.
Where is the Ultraman of today? Where is the 2915 of today? I dont mean the actual watches (look at all the re issues - who will want those in 20 years?), I mean the new design that future generations will look back on and covet as desirable, and interesting examples of the time.
Suits in corporations run for the benefit of shareholders find it very difficult not to rely only on historically proven designs, which would be fine if they continued to develop new ideas. The concept of a product failure is unacceptable to the board, apparently. If we look back at iconic design houses, including Omega, they had some real turkeys in with the gold.
That seems a risk that none of the big corporate houses want to take, so instead they churn out repros.
So in the past, all the big watch brands weren't run by suits, for profit, who have no designers with imagination. No, they were run by creative cabineteers who hated the idea of making enough money to keep the business going and hiring talented people. Right. If I'd were you, I'd stick to kickstarters and "entrepreneurs" who have no clue what they're doing but have "passion." Here's some advice: if you like a watch, buy it. If you don't, don't. But don't assault the people working for the big watch brands just because you don't like what they're selling. You have no clue who they are or their level of creativity, or how many things have to work to put anything into production successfully.
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rainking
·I'm both excited, but also saddened that it might actually be an Ultraman remake.
Excited because I love the ultraman reference and this would be a great opportunity to pick one up.
Saddened, because it doesn't seem really that hard to reissue an ultraman reference. I mean, I get the difference in the dial and the chronosweep. But still, I do think there's something to be said on how to innovate and not just push out copies from the historical archive.
The good news is there is nothing to worry about, because it seems almost certain it is neither. This thread and ongoing commentary is a good example of how things online become fake news real quick. One guy misinterprets Omega's tweet and now we're on page three of this thread. Not one person out of the couple or three who claim to have seen Omega's Basel lineup has said anything other than basically, no, there is no Ultraman reissue. Yet people keep coming in here talking about it like it's happening. I'm not throwing shade at anyone, I just know how people want something and then get excited that it's coming ... except it's not coming in this case. Seems like a bunch of excitement for no reason.
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tyrantlizardrex
·Looks like waves from the latest email.
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