Constellation pie pan: redial or not?

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smoothsecondscom

·Mar 30, 2022

Hi,

I came across this constellation Pie Pan; I always have issues spotting redials on the pie pan's so i'm curious what you guys think. Picture quality isn't the best but I hope you can see enough.

I'd love to have your opinion!

 

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iamvr

·Mar 30, 2022

Hi @smoothsecondscom

With my limited experience I'd say to dial is correct, but to confirm sharper pictures with no hands obstructing any text is required. Plus there might be other issues on the dial that you can't see with the blurred pictures. E.g. there seems to be several stains on the dial which I would like to have a clearer picture of to assess whether they are acceptable or not.

I know you only asked about the dial, but I consider the case quite polished (to a degree that's unattractive for me).

 

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smoothsecondscom

·Mar 30, 2022

Hi,

Thanks for your input! I totally agree that better pictures are required; I would probably pick the watch up in person and inspect it before purchase. You are right about the polish though, that is unfortunate. The price is reasonable considering the polish though, especially if the bracelet is original (asking price €1550)

 

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Franzjoni

·Mar 30, 2022

Actually a dome dial?!
What reference is this? 2852?

I’m curious about other opinions, but I would be skeptically about the dial

 

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MrFriday*

·Mar 30, 2022

It is not a Piepan Dial and I think pictures of higher quality are vital. For me the lines look not so sharp/kind of frazzy.

 

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iamvr

·Mar 30, 2022

Franzjoni

dome dial?!

MrFriday*

Piepan Dial

True, not a piepan dial

Franzjoni

I would be skeptically about the dial

Can you elaborate?

 

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Larry S

·Mar 30, 2022·Color Commentator for the Hyperbole.

iamvr

True, not a piepan dial


Can you elaborate?

Pie Pan

 

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gatorcpa

·Mar 30, 2022·ΩF InvestiGator

Larry S

Pie Pan

Not according to Omega.

https://www.omegawatches.com/en-us/watch-omega-constellation-omega-ck-2852

They wrote it, I didn’t.
gatorcpa

 

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Dan S

·Mar 30, 2022

gatorcpa

Not according to Omega.

https://www.omegawatches.com/en-us/watch-omega-constellation-omega-ck-2852

They wrote it, I didn’t.
gatorcpa

As you know, unfortunately, the OVD lacks nuance, and describes/shows just one variant for each reference. I'm guessing that description refers to the deluxe style dial version, which has a dodecagonal pattern.

 

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Dan S

·Mar 30, 2022

To the OP, my sense is that the case may be very poor on that example. If you take the trouble to see it in person, please inspect that 11 o'clock lug.

 

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gatorcpa

·Mar 30, 2022·ΩF InvestiGator

Dan S

As you know, unfortunately, the OVD lacks nuance, and describes/shows just one variant for each reference. I'm guessing that description refers to the deluxe style dial version, which has a dodecagonal pattern.

Uh, no.

Please check out Omegas description of Ref. 2782 below:

https://www.omegawatches.com/en-us/watch-omega-constellation-omega-ot-2782

None of the true pie-pan dial styles that you pictured exist for that reference.

If you have ever dealt with the Swiss, you will know that this is their watch, and if they want to call a flat dial “pie-pan”, they are going to do it, and you can’t stop them.
gatorcpa

 

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Dan S

·Mar 30, 2022

gatorcpa

Uh, no.

Please check out Omegas description of Ref. 2782 below:

https://www.omegawatches.com/en-us/watch-omega-constellation-omega-ot-2782

None of the true pie-pan dial styles that you pictured exist for that reference.

If you have ever dealt with the Swiss, you will know that this is their watch, and if they want to call a flat dial “pie-pan”, they are going to do it, and you can’t stop them.
gatorcpa

I'm not really planning to play this game all night, but apparently there are 2782s with the deluxe dodecagonal dials. Obviously this does not prove that this is what the OVD is referring to, it's just speculation on my part. It's quite possible that they are referring to those round dials as pie-pan.

Edited: Mar 30, 2022

 

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gatorcpa

·Mar 30, 2022·ΩF InvestiGator

I think the pictured watches are actually Ref. 2799, which does have a deluxe 18K gold true pie-pan dial.

https://www.omegawatches.com/en-us/watch-omega-constellation-de-luxe-ot-2799

The casebacks on these have both references:

But this does not matter to Omega.
gatorcpa

 

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smoothsecondscom

·Mar 31, 2022

Thank you all for the input!

Too much uncertainties for me and the watch is quite a while away; I think I will pass.

 

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smoothsecondscom

·Mar 31, 2022

Franzjoni

Actually a dome dial?!
What reference is this? 2852?

I’m curious about other opinions, but I would be skeptically about the dial

Very stupid of me to mislabel the watch as pie pan instead of dome 🤔

 

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Waltesefalcon

·Mar 31, 2022

With it being that heavily polished at that price, I wouldn't even worry about the dial, I would just walk away.

 

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Shabbaz

·Mar 31, 2022

I would be inrerested in what others have to say about that dial. Because I have same doubts. Is'nt the 'automatic' too close against the 'omega'. Maybe it's distortion. Or maybe there are similar examples? What model is this? 2852?

 

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Larry S

·Mar 31, 2022·Color Commentator for the Hyperbole.

Interesting thread. Clearly collectors have evolved a definition that is narrower than what Omega imagined more broadly as a “pie pan” design.

 

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Dan S

·Mar 31, 2022

Larry S

Interesting thread. Clearly collectors have evolved a definition that is narrower than what Omega imagined more broadly as a “pie pan” design.

The whole pie-pan thing always gets people riled up, and I'm usually on the wrong side of the argument. 😉 IIRC, someone mentioned previously that the term wasn't originally used by Omega.

 

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gbesq

·Mar 31, 2022

Dan S

The whole pie-pan thing always gets people riled up, and I'm usually on the wrong side of the argument. 😉 IIRC, someone mentioned previously that the term wasn't originally used by Omega.

Actually, I admire your determination, Dan, and always enjoy reading these "is this a pie pan dial threads." I do think that you're on the wrong side of the argument, but there aren't too many members on OF with a better storehouse of Omega knowledge, so at a minimum I'll give you an A for effort. 😀