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路Well, after looking at this thread I know what I'm getting next...
Constellation fever?
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路Well, after looking at this thread I know what I'm getting next...
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路Interesting observations and I appreciate your points regarding the larger size of a 2648 dial and the fit of yours within the case.
I also notice that yours has the single crossed 't' 's in Constellation which is not something I have seen before on this reference ( apart from on the French cased version of the 2648 )
I also have a few 2648's and as you say the dials are quite significantly larger and the location of your star also looks a la 2648 ( more space between the six o clock marker and the star ) so I'm really curious as to the story behind this one!
A couple more 2648's to keep this thread on track 馃榾
Dear senior OF member,
Love your stunning pieces .
The last one, a ss Connie (2648) is a wow!! Almost NOS condition with matching bracelet. Congratulations. Thank you for sharing.
Cheers,
p.s. It prompts me to remember I had a similar Connie but ref. 2652 sold to mrMinto at eBay some years ago. Here is a file image.
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I need a new pair of underwear 馃槈馃榾
I need a new pair of underwear 馃槈馃榾
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1jansen
路Interesting observations and I appreciate your points regarding the larger size of a 2648 dial and the fit of yours within the case.
I also notice that yours has the single crossed 't' 's in Constellation which is not something I have seen before on this reference ( apart from on the French cased version of the 2648 )
I also have a few 2648's and as you say the dials are quite significantly larger and the location of your star also looks a la 2648 ( more space between the six o clock marker and the star ) so I'm really curious as to the story behind this one!
A couple more 2648's to keep this thread on track 馃榾
Hi @cristos71 ,
Thank you for the patience in waiting. I finally got a break going to the bank to take out the stepped pie-pan dial 2648. The answer is YES. It is a matching larger size original Grand Luxe 18K dial of 29.6mm (while a 2852 is of 27.6mm). I have also look at the dial feet as well. They are there and secured properly into the movement of cal.354. I would say with confidence that the dial is original to the 2648 Constellation.
Example of a dial for ref.2852 (below), which is 27.6mm.
A comparison with the other 2 print "OMEGA" sign dials also confirms the size of the 18K Grand Luxe 18k dial is correct.
Thank you for your comments and sharing, cristos71. It gives me a great change to look into the details of the beautifully aged Grand Luxe 18K dial 2648 Constellation.
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路Hi @cristos71 ,
Thank you for the patience in waiting. I finally got a break going to the bank to take out the stepped pie-pan dial 2648. The answer is YES. It is a matching larger size original Grand Luxe 18K dial of 29.6mm (while a 2852 is of 27.6mm). I have also look at the dial feet as well. They are there and secured properly into the movement of cal.354. I would say with confidence that the dial is original to the 2648 Constellation.
Example of a dial for ref.2852 (below), which is 27.6mm.
A comparison with the other 2 print "OMEGA" sign dials also confirms the size of the 18K Grand Luxe 18k dial is correct.
Thank you for your comments and sharing, cristos71. It gives me a great change to look into the details of the beautifully aged Grand Luxe 18K dial 2648 Constellation.
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路It is impossible for a 2648 to have a pie pan dial, according to Omega records, I afraid to say. Well, mildly afraid to say. In numerous conversations I had with former Omega museum staff like John Deithelm, and Marco Richon on the subject of the 'first' pie pan I was told emphatically on a number of occasions that it was the first De Luxe 2699 and 2700 (screw-in and press-in) models. This information also appears in both Omega and specialist watch literature, including AJTT and Omega Designs.
Also, the original script with the crossed T's and absence of applied Omega logo carried on to the early 2799 De Luxe versions and then the lettering underwent a facelift to become fairly standard throughout the late Fifties and Sixties.
I can't know the history of your watch or dial, and so any comments must be taken as speculation, but it could well be from a later cal 354 Grand Luxe 14355. Also I can't with absolute certainty say the dial is not refinished. I notice that on the bottom half of the dial the printed hour markers differ in distance from the applied arrowheads that they do in the approximate top half. Generally, the printing precision on these gold dials was pretty good.
Never-the-less, the dial patina is quite stunning, probably looks even better in real life, and while a stepped pie pan in a 2648 is an impossibility (and I don't say that lightly given Omega's capriciousness then and now) having a hybrid is at least a pleasant novelty 馃榾
Cheers
Desmond
Also, the original script with the crossed T's and absence of applied Omega logo carried on to the early 2799 De Luxe versions and then the lettering underwent a facelift to become fairly standard throughout the late Fifties and Sixties.
I can't know the history of your watch or dial, and so any comments must be taken as speculation, but it could well be from a later cal 354 Grand Luxe 14355. Also I can't with absolute certainty say the dial is not refinished. I notice that on the bottom half of the dial the printed hour markers differ in distance from the applied arrowheads that they do in the approximate top half. Generally, the printing precision on these gold dials was pretty good.
Never-the-less, the dial patina is quite stunning, probably looks even better in real life, and while a stepped pie pan in a 2648 is an impossibility (and I don't say that lightly given Omega's capriciousness then and now) having a hybrid is at least a pleasant novelty 馃榾
Cheers
Desmond
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路^^^ I was having a good day up until now ^^^
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路It is impossible for a 2648 to have a pie pan dial, according to Omega records, I afraid to say. Well, mildly afraid to say. In numerous conversations I had with former Omega museum staff like John Deithelm, and Marco Richon on the subject of the 'first' pie pan I was told emphatically on a number of occasions that it was the first De Luxe 2699 and 2700 (screw-in and press-in) models. This information also appears in both Omega and specialist watch literature, including AJTT and Omega Designs.
Also, the original script with the crossed T's and absence of applied Omega logo carried on to the early 2799 De Luxe versions and then the lettering underwent a facelift to become fairly standard throughout the late Fifties and Sixties.
I can't know the history of your watch or dial, and so any comments must be taken as speculation, but it could well be from a later cal 354 Grand Luxe 14355. Also I can't with absolute certainty say the dial is not refinished. I notice that on the bottom half of the dial the printed hour markers differ in distance from the applied arrowheads that they do in the approximate top half. Generally, the printing precision on these gold dials was pretty good.
Never-the-less, the dial patina is quite stunning, probably looks even better in real life, and while a stepped pie pan in a 2648 is an impossibility (and I don't say that lightly given Omega's capriciousness then and now) having a hybrid is at least a pleasant novelty 馃榾
Cheers
Desmond
Hi Desmond @mondodec ,
Thank you very much for your valuable comments.
Sorry, it took me some time to respond cuz I got to go to the bank to take out my Grand Luxe 14355 for taking pictures and measurement.
The answer to your speculation that the dial may be a donor from a Grand Luxe 14355 is no. Because the size of the 14355 dial is 17.6 mm which is not a matching size of 19.6 mm like mine. Also, it is a printed "OMEGA" logo on the dial. Please see picture below.
I think you cannot ignore the fact that my 2648 stepped 18k gold dial is a matching size of 19.6mm for Constellation 2648. In fact, I have seen 2648 with Grand Luxe dials of 17.6mm and the dial rim will have be covered by tension ring of the crystal, which is wrong for Constellation 2648 models. In the case of a 17.6 mm donor dial, without tension ring will leave a gap between the rim the the dial and the case edge.
The originality and beauty of my stepped 18k gold dial can be confirmed by a mutual friend, RonnieS who had seen my watch in person.
I would say, Anything is possible for early vintage Omega Constellation. Especially for early ones in 1950s when archive of variations of dials are not comprehensive/ complete. An applied "OMEGA" pie-pan on the very first model of Constellation is not possible but when it comes to the 3rd/ 4th or even 7th/ 8th batch of the first model, who knows. Of course, another possibility is a later service dial or a custom-made dial from Omega factory. Ha ha.
Cheers,
1jansen
