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But Margot didn't play Frankestein did she.The other girl did in Penny Dreadful. I would certainly always chose Margot.
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·But Margot didn't play Frankestein did she.The other girl did in Penny Dreadful. I would certainly always chose Margot.
I thought that the theme was "gorgeous from Australia". Like a Seamaster 300, or the Margot Robbie.
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·I thought that the theme was "gorgeous from Australia". Like a Seamaster 300, or the Margot Robbie.
Tom
Then you can't really get any much better than that.
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·This description of 'Franken' is a strange one to me. If someone gets a watchmaker to service their Speedy and replaces bezel, dial and hands, why do we not call that a franken? What's the difference?
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·This description of 'Franken' is a strange one to me. If someone gets a watchmaker to service their Speedy and replaces bezel, dial and hands, why do we not call that a franken? What's the difference?
The connotation of Frankenstein's monster... put together with mismatched parts. The monstor eventually went insane and begged to be killed.
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·This description of 'Franken' is a strange one to me. If someone gets a watchmaker to service their Speedy and replaces bezel, dial and hands, why do we not call that a franken? What's the difference?
To me, that is still a franken. If you had a pre-moon that a modern bezel and dial were put on, it would not be original, right? You guys would certainly look down on that. You Speedmaster dudes are from a different country than me though.
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·To me, that is still a franken. If you had a pre-moon that a modern bezel and dial were put on, it would not be original, right? You guys would certainly look down on that. You Speedmaster dudes are from a different country than me though.
And if the defective/replacement parts are supplied from Omega and are to exactly the same specification as the original parts they replace?
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·To me, that is still a franken. If you had a pre-moon that a modern bezel and dial were put on, it would not be original, right? You guys would certainly look down on that. You Speedmaster dudes are from a different country than me though.
You would certainly pay more for one with non-replacement parts but you wouldn't call it a franken if it had replacement genuine parts. To me "Franken" insinuates something nefarious where it's been built up from bits and sold as original.
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·The market is an interesting thing, constrain supply and prices go high. Increase supply and prices go low.
The smart thing that Watcho is doing is that they are constraining supply of the Watchco SM300 so much, that literally the person with the most desire will buy the latest one to roll out of their shop, at the highest possible price.
Would be interested to see how pricing looks like if they had dozens for sale at the same time, instead of a waiting list.
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·And if the defective/replacement parts are supplied from Omega and are to exactly the same specification as the original parts they replace?
But there is a little more into the Watchco foundation of watch-making.
There is a difference between repairing an existing watch with original parts (which some still see as franken and/or devaluated) and creating a NON EXISTING watch out of single parts and then taking the movement from an existing watch, most often from a different line of watches altogether and then putting them all together as one.
That is the issue I have. They are omega parts but not Omega watches. No more than they would be an Omega watch if assembled by me (and yes I'm not a watchmaker but let's say assembled by Archer.) No doubt the watch Archer would build out of parts that have never been put together before and a movement that belongs and has been housed in a different watch before would be an outstanding watch...but could he sell it as an Omega?
To me there is a clear line separating restoration of a used/old or damaged watch...and creation of a watch that never was using a combination of new and used parts and made by technicians non affiliated with the brand in a lab branded under a different name (Watchco)
Still as Ulackfocus said the collector segment would consider any watch that has non original parts as tampered with...the next level would be if the non original parts have been added as part of a service or repair made by the original brand. The step after that if it was an authorized service center...after that an independent authorized watchmaker...after that a non authorized independent watch maker....and lastly if they have been added, restored or tampered with not for repair reasons but purely for cosmetic reasons and/or sale value, specially if it's on the lines of adding patina, lume a bezel etc. A deeper level of franken is of course using non OEM parts. Somewhere towards the end of that scenario I place watchco, as they are not restoring, repairing nor are they cosmetically altering a watch...they are BUILDING a watch. A watch that was never made by omega, nor sold by Omega, nor owned before (except the movement and the odd part that may be taken from an older watch.
They are building this watch for commercial reasons, not personal, nor servicing...simply selling. Their redeeming quality is that they have, for the most part, full disclosure. They do lie about some parts being OEM, or at least bend the truth, but at least they don't try to say their uncle gave them the watch.
But they are franken watches, and they are not Omega original watches, and they should be priced accordingly in my opinion.
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·Perhaps it would be better to refer to "frankens" as "mongrel" watches - basically hybrids made up of parts that never would be seen together in "thoroughbred" watches.
WatchCos could be referred to as "pastiches"
Or maybe I'm overthinking this whole debate.... 😟
WatchCos could be referred to as "pastiches"
Or maybe I'm overthinking this whole debate.... 😟
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·The watch I bought, the movement was claimed to also be a NOS service replacement.
As I have mentioned before numerous times, what you call "patina" is damage. Factory replacement parts are FACTORY replacement parts. I will wear this watch until I'm dead, which is a looooong time.
I personally think that collectors ruin the use of really nice devices. I saw some pretty nice cameras before digital took over. You couldn't buy a good one any more because collectors drove the prices up. One small attachment that would be super-useful? Collectors again, it was hundreds of dollars. A simple wrist-watch. You can't touch a Seamaster 300 with a caliber 552 movement any more. The first Omega I ever bought was some years ago at a flea market in Atlana, a Model 2627-2SC. I paid less than a hundred. Now? I couldn't touch it for less than a thousand... all because collectors decided "oh pretty!" and that was it.
My Model of 1911 service pistol? Collectors are all "you can't shoot it, it might break! The metallurgy in 1911 is crap" blah blah blah the hell witih you. It's really getting bad with these forums; some community decides that this is collectible and that is not, and the poor suckers who wanted it when it was cheap are frozen out.
I'll say it now and I think I should say it often. Collectors have ruined having old stuff, probably passed down from a family member.
Think about it.
Tom
As I have mentioned before numerous times, what you call "patina" is damage. Factory replacement parts are FACTORY replacement parts. I will wear this watch until I'm dead, which is a looooong time.
I personally think that collectors ruin the use of really nice devices. I saw some pretty nice cameras before digital took over. You couldn't buy a good one any more because collectors drove the prices up. One small attachment that would be super-useful? Collectors again, it was hundreds of dollars. A simple wrist-watch. You can't touch a Seamaster 300 with a caliber 552 movement any more. The first Omega I ever bought was some years ago at a flea market in Atlana, a Model 2627-2SC. I paid less than a hundred. Now? I couldn't touch it for less than a thousand... all because collectors decided "oh pretty!" and that was it.
My Model of 1911 service pistol? Collectors are all "you can't shoot it, it might break! The metallurgy in 1911 is crap" blah blah blah the hell witih you. It's really getting bad with these forums; some community decides that this is collectible and that is not, and the poor suckers who wanted it when it was cheap are frozen out.
I'll say it now and I think I should say it often. Collectors have ruined having old stuff, probably passed down from a family member.
Think about it.
Tom
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·The watch I bought, the movement was claimed to also be a NOS service replacement.
As I have mentioned before numerous times, what you call "patina" is damage. Factory replacement parts are FACTORY replacement parts. I will wear this watch until I'm dead, which is a looooong time.
I personally think that collectors ruin the use of really nice devices. I saw some pretty nice cameras before digital took over. You couldn't buy a good one any more because collectors drove the prices up. One small attachment that would be super-useful? Collectors again, it was hundreds of dollars. A simple wrist-watch. You can't touch a Seamaster 300 with a caliber 552 movement any more. The first Omega I ever bought was some years ago at a flea market in Atlana, a Model 2627-2SC. I paid less than a hundred. Now? I couldn't touch it for less than a thousand... all because collectors decided "oh pretty!" and that was it.
My Model of 1911 service pistol? Collectors are all "you can't shoot it, it might break! The metallurgy in 1911 is crap" blah blah blah the hell witih you. It's really getting bad with these forums; some community decides that this is collectible and that is not, and the poor suckers who wanted it when it was cheap are frozen out.
I'll say it now and I think I should say it often. Collectors have ruined having old stuff, probably passed down from a family member.
Think about it.
Tom
There is nothing in this thread though that is meant to keep.you from enjoying that watch for the rest of your life.
As for collectors...I respect collectors of anything, there's so e thing very very cool about passion and dedication. I'm more of a hobbyist myself. I lack the discipline.
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·There is nothing in this thread though that is meant to keep.you from enjoying that watch for the rest of your life.
As for collectors...I respect collectors of anything, there's so e thing very very cool about passion and dedication. I'm more of a hobbyist myself. I lack the discipline.
That's because I ignore collectors. Passion and dedication? Try unreasoning obsession. Seen it too often. Mind you, there is something to respect about people who do research. I've done some myself in another field.
I want to learn about the watch I wear, not the one on the shelf.
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·Right, I get it.
For me it's just fun and learning about what's on the shelf helps me enjoy more what I have, or decide what I want to have.
But collectors do more than learn about the shelf... Anyway, it's your view and not for me to change. Doesn't really affect whatchco either as
It's not exactly a collectors source.
For me it's just fun and learning about what's on the shelf helps me enjoy more what I have, or decide what I want to have.
But collectors do more than learn about the shelf... Anyway, it's your view and not for me to change. Doesn't really affect whatchco either as
It's not exactly a collectors source.
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·Wow, no wonder you're so popular Tom! 🙄 You just insulted more than half the forum. You certainly won't get in the club that way. 😁😜
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·Wow, no wonder you're so popular Tom! 🙄 You just insulted more than half the forum. You certainly won't get in the club that way. 😁😜
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·Wow, no wonder you're so popular Tom! 🙄 You just insulted more than half the forum. You certainly won't get in the club that way. 😁😜
Hey, I love to shout that the emperor has no clothes! Besides, what kind of life does a person have spending thousands of dollars on these small objects? There's only so much "my precious!" a person can take.
I'm guilty of it too. I showed some pictures and wanted "hey, look at that fancy object!"
At the very end, though, it's still an object. If you told me that my pet gecko whom I raised from an egg 18 years old would live twice as long if I gave up all of my watches ( and I do actually want to sell some) I'd be all over that.
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·It makes you wonder why he's even here.😕
To poke you with a stick and learn from the people who have information to share!
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·Tom, I think you'd be a welcome contributor to this thread:
https://omegaforums.net/threads/halloween-are-you-utilizing-a-costume.30987/
It took a turn that seems to be right in your wheelhouse.
https://omegaforums.net/threads/halloween-are-you-utilizing-a-costume.30987/
It took a turn that seems to be right in your wheelhouse.
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