Condensation Inside Crystal

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Lot's of conversations about a speedmaster getting condensation inside the crystals. My big box speedy did the same but only once during one long airline flight. I had been wearing it for several hours that day. I suspect it had something to do with temperature and humidity changes. Does the watch leak air water, I am guessing it probably does but my watch continues to run and will be serviced soon, but others have reported that even Omega admits they may condensate and it's normal, but if it's happening frequently, then that can't be good for any watch. Ask how many speedmaster owners have experienced condensation inside the crystal and under what conditions did this occur. I would like to know because if condensation only occurs if the seals are damaged, then why have I heard of it happening to watches both recently purchased and recently serviced?

All air has water vapour in it. Depending on conditions local to you, you can have instances where condensation can appear on the inside of a crystal that is not because of a leak.

In these cases it will be a very small amount, and would disappear quickly.
 
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Here is my 1966 Sherpa Graph Mark III as it appeared for a number of years:



The hands had apparently rusted years ago and a former owner decided to cover most of the rust with white paint.



Here is my Sherpa Graph Mark III immediately after it came back from a full service watch repair. I was fortunate to find and purchase a NOS central hands set.



Here is the watch eight days later, just after it completely fogged up just one time:



Just one time, going into and out of an air conditioned space on a hot summer's day, caused the watch to heavily fog up.

This shot was taken a day or two ago. Clearly one can see the minor staining:



The paddle hands undoubtedly had moisture condense on them and a bit of rust staining affected the lume as you see it above.

Imagine if I had somehow fogged the watch up half a dozen times?
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If your watch isn’t absolutely air-tight, it is only water resistant (to a degree), not water proof!
 
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These conversations always amuse me. What is the benefit of showering with a watch on that can’t be achieved in a sink? I can surely name a few cons, hygiene being the first that comes to mind.

The only other item i don’t take off is the ring, because it’s a pain in the ass and i usually forget it’s even there.

Theres usually at least one “if this watch can go 600m it damn well better be able to handle a shower” comment. Two each their own i suppose.
 
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I think things like the above are quite common in basically any hobby -I'd say is part of human condition: there always be a percentage of people that will fall by "conspiranoidism". There are people, of course, that will embrace it in full (i.e.: flat earthers, man didn't reach the Moon, etc.) but then, there's the "mild version" in which the "initiated" will support something in contradiction to the "uninitated common sense" because exactly that is what signal them as "initiated".

The pattern, as I say, requires a contradiction between what can be percieved at first glance and their "reality", i.e.: "it clearly says here 30m, right? Well, you should know it doesn't really mean 30m", or "You did think a wristwatch is first and foremost a time-measuring device, right? Well, you should know that for a mechanical wristwatch, that isn't even a mild expectation", or "You did think a digital recording device should be better than an analog one, right? You are wrong, vinyl LPs are warmer and higher quality than CDs", or "You did think an electronically filtered connector can't make any difference once over its rated impedance level, right? you should try this $300 gold one", or "You did think a 95 octane-tuned car engine can't take advantage of higher octane gas, right? 98 octane gas makes my car to accelerate faster and give you much better mileage"...

Of course there are always things to learn when you dive into a corpus of knowledge (there couldn't be specialists otherwise) but these tend to show a common pattern:
1. Against "common knowledge"
2. The more bizarre and convoluted (even to the point of being contradictory), the better
3. Usually focal, without taking account the global scope (i.e.: why your subject is not under the same physics laws than the rest of the Universe?)
4. Usually self-referenced and supported by anecdotical data: once confronted to real-world experience, they usually go with a "god of the cracks" or "no true scostman" schemes.

So, let's see the URL above:
1. Against common knowldege: You thought a water resistant watch would be... "water resistant", right? You are not only somehow wrong, but utterly wrong, my young Padawan!
2. So... what if I accidentaly shower with one? Oh, don't worry! here comes a five points! list including the use of a toothbrush so you can recover. Oh, did you pay attention that in order to avoid the risks of mild-by-design body soaps and shampoos I'm telling you to fully put into water for ten minutes your watch with much more aggressive dish soap?
3. So... how is it that the steel case sealed with synthetic o-rings of my wristwatch is so delicate when the steel tubes sealed with synthtic o-rings of my shower and my bathtub had stood really hot water and soap exposition for like... since ever?
4. Since I am a simpleton anyway, I've been doing what you say would lead to catastrophic results for decades, with whichever watch I happened to own at the time and I'm still waiting... not only that, up to the Internet days, my behaviour was the norm, and it's still the norm for those "not in the know" (i.e.: in the 80s everybody was in the beach with their "simply water-resistant, not diver's watches" without the expected catasthropic results!)

You clearly have greater patience than do I but I felt your reply deserved to be read in full, especially as I am currently "between showers". Where would the world be without "man science"?

I have a 1994 (not sure this qualifies as vintage?) Speedmaster Triple Date that I had serviced last year and they replaced the crystal. Several months after I had it serviced I was getting condensation inside the crystal. It failed the compression test and they sent it back to the factory to be fixed. Just tonight I noticed condensation inside the crystal again. Just contacted the AD again to let them know, Is there an issue here that I should know about, or am I just unlucky?

Thanks

I'd like to take this opportunity to thank the OP for exercising so many brains on this first world problem. I wish you well sir and before you can return your watch for remedial action, I wonder if you have left it somewhere warm and dry (yes I know those are subjective terms and one man's warm is another man's chiller) with the crown out to give those nasty moisture molecules the opportunity to escape?

Me? What do I do with my watches in the shower? Back in the days of "I own a wrist watch" it used to shower with me and in these days of "I collect watches like some guys collect fluff in their trouser pockets" anything remotely diver-ish gets a warm wash. Unless it's old. Impetuous and irrational I know.
 
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These conversations always amuse me. What is the benefit of showering with a watch on that can’t be achieved in a sink?

Well, I can tell you the benefits I perceive: as I said, it's not that I do any possitive action with the wristwatch; it's simply "it's there, it stays there".

It's my impression -and my anecdotal experience, that more wristwatches have been ruined/lost by putting them off/on than by being drown (provided they were water-tight to start with, of course): falling off from bedside table, or the sink, or simply in the moment of putting it on/off, or forgotten once taken off for some rough-ish action...

On top of that, I'm terribly scatterbrained, so basically any action from my part is a chance for something going wrong (I can't count the things I lost every time I slightly go off my daily routines 😗) so, the easier I go, the less chances for something going wrong.

About wristwatches, that means I wear them 24x7 which, in turn, sets my "basic expectancies" for a "daily beater":
* I have to like it (of course).
* it has to be comfortable, as I will wear it for long periods, even when sleeping.
* it has to be not too delicate, since I won't take it off while doing something rough-ish.
* it has to stand water, since I won't take it off on the shower, the pool or the beach.
* it has to has lume and it has to last the whole night, since I won't take it off for sleeping, and, since I'm wearing it, I'll want to see the time at night.
* it has to be precise enough to be within the minute for no less than a week, since that's my "tolerance range", I'll wear the watch for long periods and I don't want to set it with more frecuency than each Sunday.

It happens that since 2007, as I said, my Mk40 superbly fitted the bill.
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It's my impression -and my anecdotal experience, that more wristwatches have been ruined/lost by putting them off/on than by being drown (provided they were water-tight to start with, of course): falling off from bedside table, or the sink, or simply in the moment of putting it on/off.

Points taken, and this is clearly where we differ. It’s borderline unreasonable in my view to keep a watch strapped to the wrist for fear of breaking it upon transfer (perhaps unknown places like hotel bathrooms aside). Feels more like a rationalization than an appropriate risk/reward evaluation. But to each their own, of course.
 
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Points taken, and this is clearly where we differ. It’s borderline unreasonable in my view to keep a watch strapped to the wrist for fear of breaking it upon transfer (perhaps unknown places like hotel bathrooms aside). Feels more like a rationalization than an appropriate risk/reward evaluation. But to each their own, of course.

It most possibly is a rationalization, yes, albeit one based on facts: i.e.: I lost an Aqualand I because its rubber strap broke, and I wore it on my pants' pocket while waiting for a replacement (pre-Internet days). I took it off to see the time one night on a pub, and I forgot it on a table, never to see it again; in other occasion, I was on a trip for a friend's wedding and I forgot my gold Longines in the hotel's room (that's not a "daily beater", anyway) -or so I thought: it appeared about a year later in a travel bag's hidden pocket, where I of course carefully put to avoid losing it 😟

But, in the end probably you are right, I won't take off my wristwatch unless mandatory because I'm a lazy bastard, yes 😉
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All air has water vapour in it. Depending on conditions local to you, you can have instances where condensation can appear on the inside of a crystal that is not because of a leak.

In these cases it will be a very small amount, and would disappear quickly.

In case anyone missed the point of my photo-laden post above . . .

Here it is:

I often wondered why, in the case of vintage watches from the 1960s and earlier, it is not unusual to find examples that have clean dials, but hands that have rusted and also where the luminous material may be stained.

In such instances I wondered whether such watches had service dial replacements or whether dial reprints were used, but where the hands for some reason were not replaced.

After my experience with the Sherpa Graph, I realize that, if the vintage hands were made of common steel, it is not at all surprising that the hands would rust; the luminous may be stained, but the dial may remain pristine.

Perhaps Al can shed some light as to whether the hands of more modern watches shifted to stainless steel and are thus less likely to discolor.

Here is an example of a watch I purchased where I, at first, wondered why the dial looked so good while the hands looked damaged:



Nice dial. Central hands, not so much:



Of course it is speculation on my part, but I am now convinced the dial is original and the watch was probably subjected to repeated exposure to condensation.

Here it is today after full service and relume with Super-Luminova . . .

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Perhaps Al can shed some light as to whether the hands of more modern watches shifted to stainless steel and are thus less likely to discolor.

Hands can vary widely in materials. Some still use blued carbon steel, and those are subject to rusting of course.

Some makers use precious metals, so white gold or yellow gold.

Many will use plated hands, so beryllium copper base that is plated with rhodium.

I am not aware of any that use stainless steel, but that doesn't mean there aren't some out there.
 
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Two each their own i suppose.
Haha just go be clear, I’m too afraid to wash my hands with my SMP 2254 without pushing it up my wrist first but I’ll take a shower with my Vostok any day.