Can someone AUTHENTICATE this for me please?

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I’m about to do a trade with someone and this is what they sent to me. Please let me know what is the probability of this watch being a clone?

 
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I don't see anything that gives me immediate concern on those photos. A better picture of the movement (including the balance side too!) would be much more conclusive.

The caseback engravings are a little odd to me (just in their content?): The couple I looked at all have:

Si14 : Aqua Terra: Antimagnetic : 15000 Gauss : Goodplanet Foundation : 150m/500ft

THIS has:
Si14: Co-axial : Escapement : Seamaster : Aquaterra : <last not visible>

So everything else LOOKS right, and the above difference isn't conclusive, but I'd want better movement photos to be sure.
 
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Agreed—the caseback engravings are inconsistent with every other example I’ve seen. That’s a huge red flag for me. Not saying it’s a clone for sure, but that alone would be enough to have me doubting authenticity. If it’s a clone it’s a good one from what I can see. …But I’d want to see all the bits we can’t currently see.
 
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I’m also confused by the dealer mark on the warranty card. Is it a boutique or an AD?
 
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Agreed—the caseback engravings are inconsistent with every other example I’ve seen. That’s a huge red flag for me. Not saying it’s a clone for sure, but that alone would be enough to have me doubting authenticity. If it’s a clone it’s a good one from what I can see. …But I’d want to see all the bits we can’t currently see.
I want a better movement photo more than anything. One of the frequent tells of a 'movement covered by a plate' on these fakes is that there are no pivots in the jewels on the top bridge. I just can't see it well enough to be sure either way, I keep convincing myself each direction. I'm withholding my judgement until I see better photos though.



I’m also confused by the dealer mark on the warranty card. Is it a boutique or an AD?
Huh.... interesting! TBH, the whole dealer mark is really odd too... Don't they usually at least say their CITY in it? Not just "we promise we good, Pennsylvania"?
 
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Huh.... interesting! TBH, the whole dealer mark is really odd too... Don't they usually at least say their CITY in it? Not just "we promise we good, Pennsylvania"?
I think they can put anything they want there. I've had watches I've purchased from legit AD's and they leave it blank. With this being registered in 2025 all that really matters is that the watch was digitally registered with Omega at the time of sale.

I do agree that putting Authorized Dealer and Omega Boutique on the card is weird.
 
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I think they can put anything they want there. I've had watches I've purchased from legit AD's and they leave it blank. With this being registered in 2025 all that really matters is that the watch was digitally registered with Omega at the time of sale.

I do agree that putting Authorized Dealer and Omega Boutique on the card is weird.
Yeah, its odd, but not necessarily more than just that. I guess if they're going out of their way to put something there, I would expect them to put their name on it or something?

I WILL say, I would expect better out of fake cards too though, so what do I know 😁
 
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Perhaps @Archer might be persuaded to check the serial. I have my doubts over this. If the seller gave you a pic of the master chronometer card you could check if the serial gets a hit that way.
 
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The ser nr is already on the case lug and card and a well known fake !!
 
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Please let me know what is the probability of this watch being a clone?
It's absolutely not a clone.
It's a counterfeit.

Nice of the photographer to avoid showing the balance bridge.

And where are the shiny pivots in the jewels?

 
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'Eseapement' and 'Co-Axel'?

Haha good pick up, that's pretty conclusive evidence of a fake right there
 
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'Eseapement' and 'Co-Axel'?
Good one. It always amazes me that scammers will do everything possible to avoid work and have a real job.
 
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I did notice the apparent eseapement spelling but couldn’t (and still can’t) tell if the e-looking c is just an artifact of poor photography. The coaxial actually looks right to me… I think.

The more I look at this, the more convinced I am that it’s bogus—I’d avoid for sure.
 
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I also agree this looks like a fake. One other item that I noted is the date on the warranty card. It is PRINTED onto a strip that is placed on the card. I have never seen that - only dates written in by pen. If anyone has seen this before, I would like to know - seems like a hassle for any AD to do this over using a pen.
 
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I also agree this looks like a fake. One other item that I noted is the date on the warranty card. It is PRINTED onto a strip that is placed on the card. I have never seen that - only dates written in by pen. If anyone has seen this before, I would like to know - seems like a hassle for any AD to do this over using a pen.

I’ve seen that before, actually, with legit watches.
 
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It's absolutely not a clone.
It's a counterfeit.

Nice of the photographer to avoid showing the balance bridge.

And where are the shiny pivots in the jewels?

I was looking for those but couldn't tell if it was just photo artifacts or not.

Basically every picture seems the perfect amount of quality to make it tough to tell.

The escapement text is super clear there though for some reason! I thought it was a reflection so I wasn't positive.
 
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Please let me know what is the probability of this watch being a clone?
Very high...

Serial number: 86891873
Article ref: 43133412103001
Version of movement: 8500B
 
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Very high...

Serial number: 86891873
Article ref: 43133412103001
Version of movement: 8500B

Reference 431.33.41.21.03.001 is a blue 41mm Omega De Ville Hour Vision!