Are there perhaps hollows in the center of the applied markers of the OP watch that may have originally been lume-filled?
What I was trying to highlight is that your watch and the second example are not the same.
The pics you posted of your watch appear to show solid gold indices.
The second example has lume running through the length of the indices.
That is the difference I was tying to illustrate.
if that is not the case and your watch doesn’t have solid gold indices (I.e. also has lume running through the indices) then that would be a different matter.
I think we all know that a lumed dial with unlumed hands is a no-go. Makes no sense. The opposite combination isn't as outrageous. In fact, other Swiss watch brands (e.g. Rolex and Longines) definitely produced watches with lumed hands and un-lumed dials. I don't know if Omega did this or not.
S SockieThe identical watch I posted does not have lume in the indices. Like mine, it has solid gold indices, polished to three flat surfaces. I don't know what you are referring to when you say lume in the indices. Take a closer look at the image again.
Here is a link to the other watch that was for sale. Look through all the images. Clearly no lume on the indices. It is identical to mine.
https://rmgallagher.co/products/1958-omega-constellation-cal-504-2?variant=12482843148385
S SockieYet here are two examples, my one and this one...
https://rmgallagher.co/products/1958-omega-constellation-cal-504-2?variant=12482843148385
As mentioned in an earlier post, everything about these two watches, save for the bracelet/strap combination, is the same to my eye. What are the chances? I would hazard a guess to say that there will be more out there like these two.
S SockieThe identical watch I posted does not have lume in the indices. Like mine, it has solid gold indices, polished to three flat surfaces. I don't know what you are referring to when you say lume in the indices. Take a closer look at the image again.
Here is a link to the other watch that was for sale. Look through all the images. Clearly no lume on the indices. It is identical to mine.
https://rmgallagher.co/products/1958-omega-constellation-cal-504-2?variant=12482843148385
@Sockie Wow, what a thread, what a journey.
Sorry I missed this I could possibly have eased the pain a little.
I’m also central Scotland, Hamilton to be precise.
You made a good choice for servicing I think, maybe could have got it cheaper but without doubt it could have gone catastrophically worse very easily and ended up with a highly polished, poorly serviced heirloom.
Well done.
Looks like you may have caught the watch bug, great research on your part and well done sticking to your guns “under fire” from some quite heavy hitters on here.
The posters in your thread were obviously trying to help you but sometimes it can become overwhelming, this is a long, very involved thread.
Lovely, very high quality and rare watch you have there, on a par with most anything in its day.
Bracelet is amazing and these early bor’s are so comfortable.
Anyway Shout if you need any help, or maybe I should be asking you, you don’t seem to have needed any!
Best of luck.
C
I think we all know that a lumed dial with unlumed hands is a no-go. Makes no sense. The opposite combination isn't as outrageous. In fact, other Swiss watch brands (e.g. Rolex and Longines) definitely produced watches with lumed hands and un-lumed dials. I don't know if Omega did this or not.
S SockieOmega it seems do make luminous hands and solid hour markers. It looks like they are mainly special order watches.
If you follow this link, it talks about black dial watches, and shows two interesting examples. One with luminous hands and solid indices. The other with ‘skeletonised’ hands. This forum has claimed that Omega made neither. This reference website seems to directly contradict that
I think, with Desmond's testimony, you have made your case about your particular watch - and as you say, you have highlighted some information that had perhaps passed by the members.
However, since you mention looking at the evidence, you have to be careful about the examples you cite to make your case and need to scrutinise the detail.
The excerpt you show from Desmond's site shows two watches, both with hands that accept lume and both with indices that have notches for lume at the ends (unlike yours which has solid indices without notches)
Both are also later watches than yours.
I believe Desmond was most likely highlighting the colour of the fonts on the black dial in this essay, when he talks of factory specifications.
It remains that Constellations without both lume in both hands and on the dial are unusual and uncommon and you should be happy with yours.
S Sockieno, this is not correct. Take a look at the two examples again. Both example shows three faceted polished indices like mine (albeit a different model, but I wanted to show that the specification spans multiple styles and ages).
The two watches shown by Desmond don’t have indices like yours, .... take a closer look at the outer edges.
Mine below has the same lume notches as @Peemacgee describes.
S SockieOmega it seems do make luminous hands and solid hour markers. It looks like they are mainly special order watches.
If you follow this link, it talks about black dial watches, and shows two interesting examples. One with luminous hands and solid indices. The other with ‘skeletonised’ hands. This forum has claimed that Omega made neither. This reference website seems to directly contradict that.
https://download1337.mediafire.com/td14vf9bsutg/ojf488dzh034yzk/Condialdefinitive part 1V2.pdf
S Sockieno, this is not correct. Take a look at the two examples again. Both example shows three faceted polished indices like mine (albeit a different model, but I wanted to show that the specification spans multiple styles and ages).
The first example has luminous hands.
The second example was just to demonstrate skeleton hands, with an slit in the hands, which previously I was told does not exist.
I have attached close ups of the indices shown above...
I am being told to scrutinise my evidence? I am being as accurate and pedantic as I can.
S SockieI have reached out to a gentleman called Desmond Guilfoyle, via his website.
I'm afraid it is correct, which is why I politely pointed it out to you.
Both examples from the excerpt you used as additional examples have small notches as space for lume at the end of the indices - they are not like your indices, which do not have the notches.
This is why I also I advised to be careful about what evidence you cite to back up your case as it might detract from your argument.
I think we can safely say that you have proven your point about your reference of watch having been supplied with lumed hands and no other lume on the dial.
But as I said before this is something of an anomaly to that reference, or era of Constellation (as Desmond notes) and may have been only special order watches and is not common or widespread across Constellations in general.
Rigorous, respectful yet skeptical debate can achieve great things.
This thread is a beacon for newbies and veterans alike . Research, first, so you can defend your posted information when debate ensues.
Because, sometimes, especially with vintage Omega, new examples can and do appear from a vault or drawer.
my 1st gen bracelet came on a Seamaster circa 55-57. Still the most comfortable bracelet for my wrist.
