Not so much watchmaker jargon, as marketing jargon. From a watchmaking perspective, there's nothing particularly difficult in this movement for Omega to make, considering that a version of this movement was being made for Breguet up until recently. They are intentionally making this sound much more difficult than it is....and to me that means they have $$$$ in their eyes...
😁 It would be a bit strange if they didn’t have $$$$ in their eyes in the luxury goods business, but I agree, they are probably playing the difficult up ....sounds better that way than, “It was a doddle; our apprentices bashed a few out in their lunch break”.
Is this new 321 going to be METAS/master chronometer certified?
Omega wanted 10000 movements from Breguet in a year (or a year and half), and Breguet can only produce 2000 per year, and so could not : thus even though they initially agreed, they eventually said 'no'. They thus came up with another plan to do it in house...hence the tomography, and then correlation with drawings etc. and hence more time required (and thus no 321 in the 50th)
That is quite a story, and incredibly puzzling considering that both companies are part of the Swatch group. I would think that the only reason one brand of the Swatch group would say "no" to another brand of the Swatch group, is if the ask was not deemed to be in the best overall financial interests of the Swatch group.
This again seems to me to be more marketing spin on the "difficulties" in producing a rather straightforward movement...
The hook has been set, and they are reeling people in...
It was not asked (or stated) however seeing as the 1861 required modification to about half the parts in the movement to meet this certification (and become the 3861) and the 321 will be pretty much as original, I would speculate that it will not. It was stated that the power reserve will increase to 55 hours though...
Were the modifications necessary? I would think think a well regulated 1861 could pass METAS. Omega just upped it to Coaxial to be able to charge more and perhaps be cheaper to get through METAS i.e. less human involvement in regulation.
That is quite a story, and incredibly puzzling considering that both companies are part of the Swatch group. I would think that the only reason one brand of the Swatch group would say "no" to another brand of the Swatch group, is if the ask was not deemed to be in the best overall financial interests of the Swatch group.
This again seems to me to be more marketing spin on the "difficulties" in producing a rather straightforward movement...
The hook has been set, and they are reeling people in...
Couldn't it be possible that this is the case because Breguet doesn't produce any exact reproductions of the CH27? As far as I know, the Breguet version of the movement is modified extensively and their current versions of the movement do not include the 12-hour recorder in the same style and position of the Omega 321 movement. Could it be the case that part of the difficulty is coming from the manufacturing of tooling for those components?
Hello Everyone,
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I have been eyeing the Speedmaster Professional Moonwatch for quite some time now. I am prepared to buy one. I am not too picky on how close I can get to original in regards to movement and crystal but I do prefer the look of the standard moonwatch ( i.e. .005 ) I am currently in Japan on work and will be here for a few more months and I have sourced a couple places where the Moonwatch can be purchased for a significantly lower price then back in the states from an OB, AD, and even private sellers. I have waited until I am here to buy it for that specific reason.
Now here is my slight dilemma. With the recent price increases and release/talk of new movements I am wondering if waiting would be a wiser choice. Is it the general consensus that Omega will be replacing the movement in their standard moonwatch? Once the rerun of 321 is on the streets what will happen to the 1861? Will that be discontinued for something newer? And if so, would we expect a large price increase of the moonwatch? I wouldn't want to purchase a new .005 and then have it be outdated in a few months for something better. I do expect people to tell me that it is ultimately my choice and preference and I have to decide which watch I want. I understand that. However, an informed decision is best. What do the kind folks on OmegaForums think? Pick up the .005 for an outstanding price and enjoy my quality watch or wait for who knows how long and get a revamped version of the Moonwatch?
Thank you for your input.
V/r,
Carter
Hello Everyone,
*** insert generic sentence about first post- long time lurker***
I have been eyeing the Speedmaster Professional Moonwatch for quite some time now. I am prepared to buy one. I am not too picky on how close I can get to original in regards to movement and crystal but I do prefer the look of the standard moonwatch ( i.e. .005 ) I am currently in Japan on work and will be here for a few more months and I have sourced a couple places where the Moonwatch can be purchased for a significantly lower price then back in the states from an OB, AD, and even private sellers. I have waited until I am here to buy it for that specific reason.
Now here is my slight dilemma. With the recent price increases and release/talk of new movements I am wondering if waiting would be a wiser choice. Is it the general consensus that Omega will be replacing the movement in their standard moonwatch? Once the rerun of 321 is on the streets what will happen to the 1861? Will that be discontinued for something newer? And if so, would we expect a large price increase of the moonwatch? I wouldn't want to purchase a new .005 and then have it be outdated in a few months for something better. I do expect people to tell me that it is ultimately my choice and preference and I have to decide which watch I want. I understand that. However, an informed decision is best. What do the kind folks on OmegaForums think? Pick up the .005 for an outstanding price and enjoy my quality watch or wait for who knows how long and get a revamped version of the Moonwatch?
Thank you for your input.
V/r,
Carter
From my understanding / discussion with AD the 321 will be very limited and very expensive. Only precious metal varieties. Think gold and platinum. Be prepared to spend 50-100k for this watch.
This is not something to rival the 3861 and it does not impact the "value" of Apollo 11 50th. Reminiscent of the De Ville Central Tourbillon.
