Breaking News: The New Steel Speedmaster With Caliber 321 “Ed White”

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I always loved the Trilogy bracelet and the 321 movement looks gorgeous.
 
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Just bought the regular sapphire sandwich and felt stupid when reading this but with this price I am fine. It looks very nice.
How easy does the crown wind? I have had mine for 6 months and it is very difficult, not buttery smooth at all. When you stop and let go of the crown it backs up almost 1/4 turn.
 
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How easy does the crown wind? I have had mine for 6 months and it is very difficult, not buttery smooth at all. When you stop and let go of the crown it backs up almost 1/4 turn.
A new Speedmaster crown will feel tight when winding from the plump, new o-ring inside the crown sealing against the tube. Additionally, Speedmaster hand-wound movements very much feel like “winding” a spring, and that is perfectly normal. These classic hand-wound movements feel nothing at all like what a modern calibre 3xxx Rolex Submariner, Sea-Dweller, or GMT do for example, which I would agree with describing as “buttery smooth”. In fact, even older Rolex 15xx calibres felt a big rougher when winding.

Also, I have seen new Speedmaster crowns back up very slightly when getting to the end of the wind. Although I’m not winding your watch, at least what you describe sounds consistent with how I would describe winding mine.
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I’m probably the only guy one here who’s never been a Speedy fan, but this one looks fantastic. I’m really glad it’s so pricey, otherwise I might have been tempted....
I would LOVE to see more of that lovely bracelet...as compared to the Trilogy bracelets, the 3 parts of the links are more even in size. I’m very curious about how the clasp looks....

Vintage Speedmasters have really grown on me over the last few years, Once you get an eye for them it gets expensive but also very interesting looking and searching out the intricacies..
 
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You can hack the watch by applying backpressure to the crown when it is pulled out (i.e., slight torque CCW, more than zero but less than the torque it takes to move the hands backwards), which will stop the movement. The movement will resume when you release the backpressure.

The 321, 861, and 1861 all behave the same in this regard.

None of these movements have a separate crown position that stops the movement indefinitely, say for example how an Omega Planet Ocean does.

Ah, I thought so. Thanks for the info.
 
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Vintage Speedmasters have really grown on me over the last few years, Once you get an eye for them it gets expensive but also very interesting looking and searching out the intricacies..

Isn't it tho? I don't know how many hours I spend with several browser tabs open cross-checking bazels on watches that I don't need, that I can't afford, and that I never even heard of not too long ago.

These forums are horribly addictive.
 
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Isn't it tho? I don't know how many hours I spend with several browser tabs open cross-checking bazels on watches that I don't need, that I can't afford, and that I never even heard of not too long ago.

These forums are horribly addictive.
100% agree with this! We often forget to admire and enjoy what is right in front of our own nose. 🤨 Living in fears and expectations, instead of just relaxing in the moment of here and now. One can get very philosofical at this point 😁
 
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100% agree with this! We often forget to admire and enjoy what is right in front of our own nose. 🤨 Living in fears and expectations, instead of just relaxing in the moment of here and now. One can get very philosofical at this point 😁
Well said. Elkhart Tolle describes this as “awareness and living in the present moment”...very liberating!
 
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100% agree with this! We often forget to admire and enjoy what is right in front of our own nose. 🤨 Living in fears and expectations, instead of just relaxing in the moment of here and now. One can get very philosofical at this point 😁


 
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Yes, you are wrong about that. The added labour to service a column wheel v a cam is pretty much non-existent.

Cheers, Al
Hi Al,

Does Omega's decision to go cam vs column lie on the cost of manufacturing more than servicing?

Cheers,

Faz
 
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You can hack the watch by applying backpressure to the crown when it is pulled out (i.e., slight torque CCW, more than zero but less than the torque it takes to move the hands backwards), which will stop the movement. The movement will resume when you release the backpressure.

The 321, 861, and 1861 all behave the same in this regard.

None of these movements have a separate crown position that stops the movement indefinitely, say for example how an Omega Planet Ocean does.
Have to disagree with this. I have 2 321’s and on one you can “hack” a hack as you describe, the other one you can’t. Not sure whether this is just internal wear making the difference. Would be interesting to learn how it worked when they were new.
 
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For everyone surprised / disappointed / angry about the price point if this special cal 321 re-issue, please read about Veblen Goods.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veblen_good


Veblen goods are types of luxury goods for which the quantity demanded increases as the price increases, an apparent contradiction of the law of demand, resulting in an upward-sloping demand curve. A higher price may make a product desirable as a status symbol in the practices of conspicuous consumption and conspicuous leisure. A product may be a Veblen good because it is a positional good, something few others can own.

Veblen goods are named after American economist Thorstein Veblen, who first identified conspicuous consumption as a mode of status-seeking in The Theory of the Leisure Class (1899).[1] A corollary of the Veblen effect is that lowering the price decreases the quantity demanded.[2]

This makes total sense. They must look at Rolex creating this pent up consumer lust for SS sports watches and concomitant pricing power across their whole range and look to copy it. Seems to me Omega are damaging their credibility with the endless limited editions and the consumer is not buying into it any more. So they should just come out with desirable references and restrict overall supply. Have to say though a 40% premium to eg the Rolex GMT 2 BLRO is bold. Fascinating to see where they trade in secondary market 2/3 years from now.
 
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This makes total sense. They must look at Rolex creating this pent up consumer lust for SS sports watches and concomitant pricing power across their whole range and look to copy it. Seems to me Omega are damaging their credibility with the endless limited editions and the consumer is not buying into it any more. So they should just come out with desirable references and restrict overall supply. Have to say though a 40% premium to eg the Rolex GMT 2 BLRO is bold. Fascinating to see where they trade in secondary market 2/3 years from now.

If this were an easy thing to do every watch company would do it.. It ain't. I csnt come up with one swatch owned brand that has... Maybe this will be the first
 
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Have to disagree with this. I have 2 321’s and on one you can “hack” a hack as you describe, the other one you can’t. Not sure whether this is just internal wear making the difference. Would be interesting to learn how it worked when they were new.

The only difference in your two watches is the amount of friction on the cannon pinion. They can be made tight enough to make it hack easily, or can be made loose enough it won't hack at all.
 
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If this were an easy thing to do every watch company would do it.. It ain't. I csnt come up with one swatch owned brand that has... Maybe this will be the first
If any of their brands can do it it will be Omega with its history, heritage etc. no downside for them giving it a try. As I said the proof will be the trading value 2/3 years hence.
 
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The only difference in your two watches is the amount of friction on the cannon pinion. They can be made tight enough to make it hack easily, or can be made loose enough it won't hack at all.
Any idea how they worked when new?