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iatacs19
·The size, ceramic bezel, power reserve are perfect!
I love everything except the price... 😁
I love everything except the price... 😁
Breaking News: The New Steel Speedmaster With Caliber 321 “Ed White”
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Claven2
·That's a really good suggestion.
I felt Omega did right with the display back, as there is no NASA association and the back would have been bare.
Hippocampus would have been a great choice, but I'm afraid Omega is all about showing off the movement on the reissue 321 models.
On another note, I think it's a bit ridiculous what they say they had to go through to recreate this movement.
They've made it before. I'm sure they didn't just throw all the blueprints away when they stopped making them.
From my engineering background I can say that manufacturing components from original drawings will always be more precise than 3D scanning something and guessing wear to come up with your dimensions.
But sure, it sounds a lot better to have gone through this step.
I think back in the day these column wheel movements relied on skilled labor to precisely tune the cams the the column wheel (I think, and have read that, but am no watchmaker).
Likely the new one is cnc machined to tighter tolerances to reduce the initial assembly skill required.
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Mad Dog
·Does anyone have any information on how big the box will be?
Asking for a friend.
Asking for a friend.
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Theluglife
·I for one, really like this release (except for the price haha). step dial, amazing bracelet, SS - love it! sapphire may not be true to the original but if you intend to wear it day to day, I think it makes a lot of sense. I have to more scratches on my vintage pieces from collisions with my wife's watches.
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gt0279a
·Personally would prefer they trade the sapphire for hesalite and 321 for 1861/3861 and sell it for about half the price.
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Vintagewtchzilla
·i am wishing back the days when the discussions were about the details and not about MRSP
the watch was not released for the omega forum !
those who can afford it will buy it and have a cool watch with a modern touch
those who can't afford it will bark loud and even more
the watch was not released for the omega forum !
those who can afford it will buy it and have a cool watch with a modern touch
those who can't afford it will bark loud and even more
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jhross98
·I agree that flippers will try to sell them for $23k at first, but as soon as the second batch is released next year you'll be able to pick them up for half MRSP from greys. Also, there's a good chance that Omega uses the 321 movement in other Speedmasters down the line. So now is the worst time to buy this piece in my opinion.
i really find it humorous the notion these will s
i am wishing back the days when the discussions were about the details and not about MRSP
the watch was not released for the omega forum !
those who can afford it will buy it and have a cool watch with a modern touch
those who can't afford it will bark loud and even more
I can afford it
I ain't buying it
The two have nothing to do with each other
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mzinski
·I’m confused - how is the 321 harder to make than the 861/1861?
For this epic marketing exercise, omega have chosen to make a song and dance about “one watchmaker building every movement”, that’s their choice as a “value add”, it’s not a requirement of the 321.
This is not a complicated movement.
There’s nothing hard about servicing the 321 (not that I have but I’ll go out on a limb and trust what archer says).
I suppose, in the event that the lone watchmaker building each one of these is starting from scratch and hand turning all the wheels out of bar stock - okay - that’s what Roger Smith is doing - that’s worth a penny or two.
But hand assembling a movement of mass produced parts...meh.
The column wheel is cool but too much hype IMO.
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mzinski
·I have an admittedly pedantic twitch with all the comments saying the watch is “overpriced.” It seems a definitional issue.
It may be “overpriced” in the limited sense that the person uttering the comment only means THEY won’t pay for it.
But a single buyer’s opinion that THEY won’t pay for it does not equal the watch being “overpriced.”
And, I suspect that most saying the watch is “overpriced” would agree that Omega is very likely to sell every one of these produced, at MSRP - which (in the only meaningful sense) shows the watch is probably not “overpriced.”
Embarrassed to be so pedantic in this, but for a forum as sophisticated as OF it seems we could hold the line of saying what we really mean: “Omega will sell all of these at this MSRP, but not to me.”
Meanwhile, I just got off the phone with my AD who just received word that the procedure here (US) is to take a full deposit (including tax) to be in line for this watch, with no guaranteed/clear time for delivery of the unit.
I would have been the 6th person this morning to lay down a full deposit, which 6 units may represent the entirety of the units received by this AD in 2020.
In the market/economics sense that Omega cares about, the watch is definitely not “overpriced.”
But you’re ignoring the other subset of people who are commenting to say the watch is being priced at a point far in excess of its production and overhead costs.
Naturally a limited edition item will command a premium but in this case it appears it is commanding more than an LE premium. I suggest this because the comments are picking up on the basic materials, basic details, and marketing hype surrounding the movement.
Don’t get me wrong, I get it. It’s a vintage inspired reissue with a movement we’ve all been clamoring about - why would Omega push for the highest and best price point they can. They’re a company after all. All I’m saying is you shouldn’t jump to the conclusion that the comments aren’t nuanced or are missing the capitalist point. Maybe they are expressing the frustration at free market supply and demand pricing by suggesting for that price your figuratively paying for a bill of good. (Not quite that extreme but hopefully you get the idea).
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stuart70
·Isn’t the case that Omega are forcing the supply to be limited? Thus allowing the belief that the product demands a premium price. This is backed with a marketing machine hype that is beyond compare.
The 321 movement was mass produced in the past, technology has moved on. Thus this limit or 2,000 units a year is purely arbitrary and company driven. I am sure that Archer would be the best person to to give a guide on how long it would take to assemble a movement from new parts.
As said previously it would appear the Omega are trying to move their products more up market to demand a higher price. The gap they leave behind will be filled by Longines. In looking at price comparison Farer watches sell a swiss hand wound chronograph for £1,700, with factory servicing for £170. Admittedly with no ‘moon’ or ‘brand’ history so we can all decide what we want to pay for.
I tend to think that the days of the speedmaster being a relatively lower priced chronograph are fading into memory. With the arrival of the standard 3861 speedmaster the price point will be about £5.5k+.
The 321 movement was mass produced in the past, technology has moved on. Thus this limit or 2,000 units a year is purely arbitrary and company driven. I am sure that Archer would be the best person to to give a guide on how long it would take to assemble a movement from new parts.
As said previously it would appear the Omega are trying to move their products more up market to demand a higher price. The gap they leave behind will be filled by Longines. In looking at price comparison Farer watches sell a swiss hand wound chronograph for £1,700, with factory servicing for £170. Admittedly with no ‘moon’ or ‘brand’ history so we can all decide what we want to pay for.
I tend to think that the days of the speedmaster being a relatively lower priced chronograph are fading into memory. With the arrival of the standard 3861 speedmaster the price point will be about £5.5k+.
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Tri-national-man
·Nice looking watch, but at that price would purchase a vintage 321 speedy.. Ridiculous ref number..
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Screwbacks
·at 2,000 pieces limited production per year, this newly resurrected 105.003, 321 based watch could be highly sought-after
speedy later on since we do not know how long Omega SA will run the production of this model. If we look at its past
production of the original reference, Omega had it produced for 5 years for a high volume 16,000 pcs.. If this new
model will be limited to only 2,000 per year with a projected production period of 5 years, then it is really limited to
only 10,000 pcs for the entire watch enthusiast population to avail. What if Omega will run this model only for 2 years, in
anticipation or preparation of the forthcoming release of the real 321 moonwatch revival 105.102 reference probably later
or in the middle of the year. 😁😉
speedy later on since we do not know how long Omega SA will run the production of this model. If we look at its past
production of the original reference, Omega had it produced for 5 years for a high volume 16,000 pcs.. If this new
model will be limited to only 2,000 per year with a projected production period of 5 years, then it is really limited to
only 10,000 pcs for the entire watch enthusiast population to avail. What if Omega will run this model only for 2 years, in
anticipation or preparation of the forthcoming release of the real 321 moonwatch revival 105.102 reference probably later
or in the middle of the year. 😁😉
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gostang9
·Mate, me thinks you're responding to the letter but not the spirit of my point.
My comment was related to the price of the most common Speedy that is well below the price of the Daytona. Many seem stuck on the Speedy as a $5k USD watch, and Omega clearly want to move it up-market. I would argue they have been quite successful and this latest Cal 321 example will continue the trend.
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Njnjcfp88
·Regarding a (minor) visual design aspect; yet still a nice touch- the white enamel tachy scale will pop nicely against all that black. In the real - this should be very attractive.
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eugeneandresson
·S stuart70The 321 movement was mass produced in the past,
According to these guys:
Total estimated 321's produced between '57 and '68 : 127500. Thats average of about 10000 per year.
Total estimated 321's put into speedmasters between '57 and '68 : about 80000. Thats average of about 6600 per year (speedmasters).
So if this is 'mass produced', then 2000 per year is hardly 'boutique'. Vintage 321's and modern ones are all 'LE' 😀
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tyrantlizardrex
·
I can report that all of the below is 100% made up of words, which when strung together could represent a possible Speedmaster storage solution.
It ships in a 1:50 scale model of the factory, carefully constructed from toothpicks, mud, and the spittle of Swatch group trainees.
You access the watch by removing the roof, and the floors, one by one, until you reach the basement, where your watch rests on a custom made "speedmaster recliner", cast in stainless steel, and upholstered in a genetically engineered recreation of Louis Brandt's foreskin.
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gostang9
·It ships in a 1:50 scale model of the factory, carefully constructed from toothpicks, mud, and the spittle of Swatch group trainees.
You access the watch by removing the roof, and the floors, one by one, until you reach the basement, where your watch rests on a custom made "speedmaster recliner", cast in stainless steel, and upholstered in a genetically engineered recreation of Louis Brandt's foreskin.
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STANDY
··schizophrenic pizza orderer and watch collector@tyrantlizardrex I hear all the boxes were made by one Chinese prisoner in isolation at the same jail the Tesco Christmas cards were made.
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tyrantlizardrex
·It's this detailed level of insider information available only here that makes OF such a great place! 😎
It's amazing how good the secrets from inside Omega can be can be, when you make them up yourself. 👍
@tyrantlizardrex I hear all the boxes were made by one Chinese prisoner in isolation at the same jail the Tesco Christmas cards were made.
I'd love to believe that, but at a weight of 2500kg, I just don't think one prisoner could build these boxes alone. 😗
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stuart70
·According to these guys:
Total estimated 321's produced between '57 and '68 : 127500. Thats average of about 10000 per year.
Total estimated 321's put into speedmasters between '57 and '68 : about 80000. Thats average of about 6600 per year (speedmasters).
So if this is 'mass produced', then 2000 per year is hardly 'boutique'. Vintage 321's and modern ones are all 'LE' 😀
My point being production could be ramped up easily. As you said they were making 10,000 a year in the sixties. A modern CNC machine can work 24 hours a day seven days a week and would be a lot faster than its 60’s equal.
By keeping production low you create ‘artificial’ rareness hence you demand a higher price. If they made 10,000 a year and they were in constant stock you could try for discounts. On a premium product you try to ensure scarcity to ensure higher price.
