For my collection a more interesting proposition would be a 2020 Speedy Pro with a 3861 movement + exhibition caseback + a new improved bracelet, at around US$6-7K.
As others have pointed out, the "Lazarus" 321 movement story (digital scanning etc.) + one watchmaker per watch (probably just assembly and regulation) is really just marketing BS to justify the price premium.
From a pure functional watch experience, what does the 321 movement provide over the 1861/3861, apart from the smoother column wheel operation? Does the 321 movement demonstrate tangible superior aesthetic pleasure with vastly improved finishing, compared to the 1863?
Got to ask yourself, is it to keep or flip, if its to keep then your asking the right questions, if you would sell then yours could be one of the first to hit the grey market and that's for the dealers to give you a price they feel would get them in on a new 321, I expect some greys have buyers already lined up, they just need the stock..
Sure about that?
The MSRP on a SS Daytona can these days be viewed in one of two ways: either there is no MSRP (because they’re unpurchaseable from Rolex), or the MSRP includes not only the Daytona’s sticker price but also the price of several precious metal Rolexes one must first acquire before being in contention for a chance to receive a SS Daytona at MSRP from Rolex.
in the real world, the Daytona’s MSRP is totally irrelevant, and the only discernible cost of entry is a review of the grey market for an unworn piece - which is currently about $23K
there may be plenty of other reasons to not purchase the 321, but those reasons really don’t seem to include it “being more expensive than“ a SS Daytona (or GMT II)
My comment was related to the price of the most common Speedy that is well below the price of the Daytona. Many seem stuck on the Speedy as a $5k USD watch, and Omega clearly want to move it up-market. I would argue they have been quite successful and this latest Cal 321 example will continue the trend.
Yep, no doubt about it.
Rolex and Omega both publish official MSRP values and their Boutiques sell at or very close to it. For modern Daytona and this Speedy Cal 321, that means they sell for the published rate.
Daytona: $13,150 USD
The new 321 is finished exactly the same as the originals are in terms of decorative work. The plating is apparently different, but the simple graining on the bridges, very simple straight grained finish of the steel parts (with no anglage), is a very industrial finish to say the least. Omega has made this the same as the watches that were in the Speedmasters originally - it was a "tool watch" back then, and didn't get any serious fancy decoration. The finish on this movement is equivalent to that applied to the regular 861 and 1861.
The 863/1863 has Côtes de Genève on the bridges, perlage on the dial side of the movement, and even at times under the bridges, polished anglage on all the steel parts - it is most certainly finished more completely, and according to Omega's view, to a higher level.
Cheers, Al
Pie in sky the question - If you were offered one of the first ones would you take the gamble and buy it in the hope it would be worth more than RRP? I'm not sure I'm really not 😕😕
Yep, no doubt about it.
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You have to be honest and admit the ceramic Daytona is nigh on impossible to buy MSRP on its own, for those who want to go on waiting lists are told 7 years+, the watches that do come into dealers are sold at MSRP along side $$$$$ worth of other hard to sell watches like platinum ladies models
