Bought a watch and the seller won't ship to the US

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My view on “Conus Only” is that folks don’t feel comfortable fibbing about value, risking an uninsured shipment or making price concessions to compensate for shipping and import fees.

Wasn’t there something a while back where 75% of Americans didn’t know where half the world is on a map….


Not forgetting ASTO @JimInOz ,myself and a few others tried to get going years ago….
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Mine is that they are simply too lazy to fill out a form.
If the buyer refrains from all the toxic behaviors I listed, then yes…lazy.
 
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Sellers can decide where, and to who, they want to sell their property. No need to call people lazy because they have decided they would rather sell to a 330,000,000 person market rather than shipping internationally. Their choice. Those that are comfortable selling, or buying, internationally are free to do so. That's how free market capitalism works.
 
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My view on “Conus Only” is that folks don’t feel comfortable fibbing about value, risking an uninsured shipment or making price concessions to compensate for shipping and import fees.
I won’t. I’m happy to ship anywhere in the world, but I won’t commit fraud to save- even a friend- a couple bucks. And a friend wouldn’t ask another friend to do that.
Oh, and I had to explain to a Fed-ex/Kinko’s clerk that “The Netherlands” is not Neverland and is a real place.
 
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I won’t. I’m happy to ship anywhere in the world, but I won’t commit fraud to save- even a friend- a couple bucks. And a friend wouldn’t ask another friend to do that.
Oh, and I had to explain to a Fed-ex/Kinko’s clerk that “The Netherlands” is not Neverland and is a real place.
I noted some time back that selling things on eBay, you get messages from Europeans saying “would you accept (40% of your asking price) and list it as being worth $25 on the customs forms?” as if the second part of that request were a grand gesture on their part. It’s like they’re offering to take it off your hands if you’d just do them the favor of smuggling it across the border.
 
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I noted some time back that selling things on eBay, you get messages from Europeans saying “would you accept (40% of your asking price) and list it as being worth $25 on the customs forms?” as if the second part of that request were a grand gesture on their part. It’s like they’re offering to take it off your hands if you’d just do them the favor of smuggling it across the border.

I don't think that "Europeans" have any sort of monopoly on this kind of behaviour...at least based on my experiences.
 
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I noted some time back that selling things on eBay, you get messages from Europeans saying “would you accept (40% of your asking price) and list it as being worth $25 on the customs forms?” as if the second part of that request were a grand gesture on their part. It’s like they’re offering to take it off your hands if you’d just do them the favor of smuggling it across the border.
I get it- 20% VAT plus import fees, plus PayPal/eBay whatever- you get into a loss proposition. But that’s no reason to ask someone else to commit fraud for you. It’s just tacky- not to mention illegal.
 
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Sellers can decide where, and to who, they want to sell their property. No need to call people lazy because they have decided they would rather sell to a 330,000,000 person market rather than shipping internationally. Their choice. Those that are comfortable selling, or buying, internationally are free to do so. That's how free market capitalism works.

Yep, they can decide not to sell into that 330,000,000 person market too, which is what this thread is actually about.
 
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I don't think that "Europeans" have any sort of monopoly on this kind of behaviour...at least based on my experiences.

As someone that works in the game…..your 100% right.
 
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If the buyer refrains from all the toxic behaviors I listed, then yes…lazy.

Typically 'CONUS ONLY' happens before a sale gets to the stage where the points you mentioned may become a topic (its usually listed in the sale, or the seller is too lazy to even set up the ad correctly, and then when a non-CONUS buyer wins the auction he says 'CONUS') ... so I don't see how 'toxic behavior' is relevant or why it was mentioned in the first place.

Regarding all you folks on your high horses:

From 1st hand experience there are CONUS buyers who exhibit the same behavior as Larry mentioned, as well as the lowballing mentioned above. A lot of people are too lazy to fill out a form. With a 330,000,000 person market, whatever behavior any of you claim to be up on a tall horse about, is statistically as prevalent in CONUS as EU. Its all moot.

Whats not moot : It really sucks when someone wont sell you something you want regardless of the reason 😁
 
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@eugeneandresson …Are you seriously suggesting that asking someone to commit fraud on your behalf or take a hit because of import fees isn’t toxic? Yea @Archer I hereby retract my acknowledgement of “lazy”. No one in a major market needs to put up with that or fill out customs papers if they don’t wish to.
 
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I don't think that "Europeans" have any sort of monopoly on this kind of behaviour...at least based on my experiences.
I wouldn’t say anyone has a monopoly on that behavior. I also didn’t say anyone had a monopoly on that behavior.

I would say that eBay is a particularly large platform and even if only a small minority of buyers and sellers use obnoxious tactics, it’s still an awful lot of people.

[Edit: If I seemed to be saying European buyers are particularly obnoxious, I phrased my comment poorly. I think any American can be just as obnoxious, obviously, and don’t think much of the various rationales for refusing to ship something out of the US, unless the USPS has gotten as bad as I’ve sometimes heard recently. It’s not hard to fill out the forms.]
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Yea @Archer I hereby retract my acknowledgement of “lazy”. No one in a major market needs to put up with that or fill out customs papers if they don’t wish to.

Of course, this is obvious. No one even has to have a reason not to sell somewhere...

I wouldn’t say anyone has a monopoly on that behavior. I also didn’t say anyone had a monopoly on that behavior. I

would say that eBay is a particularly large platform and even if only a small minority of buyers and sellers use obnoxious tactics, it’s still an awful lot of people.

No, but you singled them out for some reason. No one is saying that there isn't a lot of them - trust me I have dealt with them from all over the world.
 
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@eugeneandresson …Are you seriously suggesting that asking someone to commit fraud on your behalf or take a hit because of import fees isn’t toxic?

Can you point out to me, in my carefully and clearly worded text, where this was suggested? I was pretty clear in my communication, I think, with no space between the lines to read anything other than the lines themselves.

The point that I made is, based on all the EU bashing (I don't live in the EU) : ITS EVERYWHERE, based on first hand experience, and statistical probability. And more importantly, its moot (IMHO) to the subject of this thread.
 
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I'm fine selling lower value watches internationally. I've never actually had a problem with shipping and I'm ok taking a risk up to $2k or so. But if it's a $5k or $10k watch, I really want to insure it, and I feel very uncertain about the options that are available to me. On a few occasions, a buyer has had access to Parcel Pro and they were able to provide a label for me,
 
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Wasn’t there something a while back where 75% of Americans didn’t know where half the world is on a map….
Pffft. Obviously the other half is on the BACK side of the map. Duh!
 
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Of course, this is obvious. No one even has to have a reason not to sell somewhere...



No, but you singled them out for some reason. No one is saying that there isn't a lot of them - trust me I have dealt with them from all over the world.

The reason is that I was replying to the comment I quoted, which I thought was specifically about shipping to Europe. I see I misread it now and added context to my own comment.
 
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whatever behavior any of you claim to be up on a tall horse about, is statistically as prevalent in CONUS as EU. Its all moot.

Not moot to those looking for any chance to virtue signal.
 
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Can you point out to me, in my carefully and clearly worded text, where this was suggested? I was pretty clear in my communication, I think, with no space between the lines to read anything other than the lines themselves.

The point that I made is, based on all the EU bashing (I don't live in the EU) : ITS EVERYWHERE, based on first hand experience, and statistical probability. And more importantly, its moot (IMHO) to the subject of this thread.
“Mine is that they are simply too lazy to fill out a form.”
 
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I appreciate all of the insight. For the record, the ad stated worldwide shipping, otherwise I wouldn't have bought it. I'm still waiting for a response from the seller to see if he will accept an address other than mine.

Again, Thanks