Beware of “The Rolex Forum”

larryganz · Mar 22, 2018

I quit frequenting TRF because I got tired of reading new threads posted with the same dam question every day.

Also because you can't click "like" on posts, so everyone is always quoting another post in order to voice their approval (or lack thereof) and you then see the same post repeated as a quote OVER and OVER again. Too repetitive unless you decline to add your own feedback.

I do think you'll find that everyone here thinks the new Air King is an abomination, so post away!

STANDY · Mar 22, 2018

JimInOz
FIFY.

And here's a stack of spares for you to use - ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' '

😗

Edit: You probably just got banned for bad punctuation, I doubt that any over there know what Seiko means.

GordonL
FIFY

A simple plural requires no apostrophe.

Only one of you two can be right. Sort it out boys and get back to me

( PS was it Rolex forum that called you Potty Mouth @JimInOz or WUS )

bonerp · Mar 22, 2018

I got banned from another watch forum beginning with T and ending in Z ...(only forum banned from out of many) for asking a mod politely whether with references I can sell a personal watch before I hit the 200 posts mark - it wasn't that far off the mark. I then received a series of personally abusive messages which were largely disingenuous to my mother and about the size of my manhood - and worse. I don't think they ever met either of us which puzzled me... 😕. Whether he / she was just having a meltdown day I'm not sure but I wouldn't set foot in that forum if it were the last watch forum on the planet. It was unnecessary.

michael22 · Mar 22, 2018

I can

STANDY
I got banned for joining with a screen name. Overpriced Seiko's ....

Lack of humour in my book 🙄

Third possibility.

Nobel Prize · Mar 22, 2018

FreelanceWriter
The problem that I think you're still overlooking is that politeness in this context is just way too subjective for anybody to be imposing his sensibilities on others or (especially) to suggest that anyone who disagrees with your particular sensibilities should leave this forum.

Asking a simple question about a watch without more of an introduction (or a preemptive apology) isn't like sneezing in someone's face, letting a door slam on the person behind you, or not thanking someone for holding a door or for helping you after the fact. Those are all universally considered impolite. I just don't think that asking a question is even remotely in that category, even if it's a view shared by many members of an online forum.
Sure, it's also possible to phrase a question obnoxiously, but I get the sense that some people here are offended by questions that aren't necessarily inherently obnoxious in any objective sense. IMO, it's shouldn't be necessary to become these guys to avoid being accused of impoliteness.

I think you misunderstand me. I’m not saying asking a question is impolite, I’m saying there are polite ways and impolite ways of asking a question. Neither am I saying that you have to introduce yourself or apologize. My little quotation example is an example not a proposed template. I may as well say. “ good evening everybody. Could someone please help me identify this watch? Thank you “. That’s polite and direct, not apologetic.

But there is also the broader assumption that a forum for hobbyists has, as an implied public service, the function to answer questions. It’s not a function or an obligation or an implied service.... it’s a sign of generosity on the part of a community of collectors willing to share their considerable knowledge. Generosity should be appreciated and sometimes it is just taken for granted or even resented when the feedback is not the desired.

As for politeness being subjective in this context.... no. Sorry, but I disagree with that notion. You are either polite or you’re not. It’s a little like being a little pregnant. You could argue that impolite is not always rude and there could be a subjective view of what’s rude, or how rude it is...or how many shades of gray one can take before it’s porn....

STANDY · Mar 22, 2018

I'm with @Nobel Prize.
Worked for 20 years at a international port or airport and every country in the world knows politeness.
Not every person in the world knows politeness.

bonerp · Mar 22, 2018

Nobel Prize
I think you misunderstand me. I’m not saying asking a question is impolite, I’m saying there are polite ways and impolite ways of asking a question. Neither am I saying that you have to introduce yourself or apologize. My little quotation example is an example not a proposed template. I may as well say. “ good evening everybody. Could someone please help me identify this watch? Thank you “. That’s polite and direct, not apologetic. But there is also the broader assumption that a forum for hobbyists has, as an implied public service, the function to answer questions. It’s not a function or an obligation or an implied service.... it’s a sign of generosity on the part of a community of collectors willing to share their considerable knowledge. Generosity should be appreciated and sometimes it is just taken for granted or even resented when the feedback is not the desired information.

As for politeness being subjective in this context.... no. Sorry, but I disagree with that notion. You are either polite or you’re not. It’s a little like being a little pregnant. You could argue that impolite is not always rude and there could be a subjective view of what’s rude, or how rude it is...or how many shades of gray one can take before it’s porn....

Sometimes on a forum brevity isn't always best but can happen. Unfortunately folk do jump on this - sometimes can be a result of language or just being in a rush. Most do come back and explain/apologise. I've seen a few posts where the OP never returns again...at least under the previous username 🙄

Nobel Prize · Mar 22, 2018

I remember once I was invited to a social dinner at a new acquaintances’ home. When I realized the host and a couple of the other friends at the table where dermatologists I seized the opportunity and politely asked “ Would you please tell me if this genital wart is something I should be worried about?” You should have seen the reaction; I’ve never seen a group of people this rude in my life. Needless to say I’ll never join their parties again. I think they know because I’ve never been invited back.

JimInOz · Mar 22, 2018

STANDY
Only one of you two can be right. Sort it out boys and get back to me

( PS was it Rolex forum that called you Potty Mouth @JimInOz or WUS )

I wasn't being the grammar police, I was humbly offering a few free ' to use instead of , (which may be the fault of your phone or keyboard, or even your huge thumb!).

But when I did an "Ijits' Guide to Gramer" search on the intertubes, I realised that @GordonL might in fact, be correct (unless the bastards at that place we shall not speak of chopped the remanent possessive fragment from your comment).

And the potty mouth jibe regarding WUS was entirely unjustified. 🤔

I was using the word beginning with "f" in an entirely appropriate context (not sexual but pertaining to idiocy).

At least I didn't use the "c" word.

What's wrong with saying "Calatrava" anyway?

ulackfocus · Mar 22, 2018

Just to add a tidbit of information: apparently one country doesn't account for politeness. Finland / Finnish does not have a word for "please" as we were told recently.

ac106 · Mar 22, 2018

Reddy_Kilowatt
It's pretty amazing how many members have been banned over there. They seem to be a touch trigger-happy. Of course some of those asshats deserve it. 😉

What i find interesting is that they ban so many people and there are STILL dozens and dozens of inane, juvenile and redundant posts. Can you imagine what a cesspool it would be if the Mods weren't fascists jackaboot wearing bastards???

GordonL · Mar 22, 2018

thankfully I found this forum first and have never felt the need to visit the "other place"

Nobel Prize · Mar 22, 2018

U ulackfocus
Just to add a tidbit of information: apparently one country doesn't account for politeness. Finland / Finnish does not have a word for "please" as we were told recently.

It’s the Viking blood. It’s consodered polite if they don’t hit you on the head with an Ax. Or at least that’s what I get from the “Vikings” show.

sjg22 · Mar 22, 2018

FreelanceWriter
The problem that I think you're still overlooking is that politeness in this context is just way too subjective for anybody to be imposing his sensibilities on others or (especially) to suggest that anyone who disagrees with your particular sensibilities should leave this forum.

Asking a simple question about a watch without more of an introduction (or a preemptive apology) isn't like sneezing in someone's face, letting a door slam on the person behind you, or not thanking someone for holding a door or for helping you after the fact. Those are all universally considered impolite. I just don't think that asking a question is even remotely in that category, even if it's a view shared by many members of an online forum.
Sure, it's also possible to phrase a question obnoxiously, but I get the sense that some people here are offended by questions that aren't necessarily inherently obnoxious in any objective sense. IMO, it's shouldn't be necessary to become these guys to avoid being accused of impoliteness.

I would look at this way:

There are certain things that are universally seen as polite across the world generally, some of which you mentioned (avoiding sneezing in someone’s face was a good example).

Then there is politeness that’s specific to certain cultures. For instance, the societal norms for the way in which you might introduce yourself to a stranger or interact with your boss in Japan vs. Canada are quite different.

Then you have norms for specific groups within a culture (say, the Marines) or within specific people’s houses (the requirements for politeness at your Uncle Tim’s house might be different than your grandmother’s house).

Generally speaking, the way to be polite is for the visitor to attempt to, as best they can, fit within the norms of politiness wherever they go. This could mean trying to at least attempt to say things in French while in Paris, or taking your shoes off within a Japanese home, or not using potentially offensive words in the home of a priest.

You’re essentially suggesting we reverse this onus - that the group or culture ought to amend their normative levels of politeness to account for the different norms of other people.

I disagree that this is the best way to go - if you’d like to come on OF and ask for things, your best bet in terms of getting what you’re looking for is attempting to at least try and fit within the cultural norms here (at least at the outset - lots of room for oddballs here, once we get to know you).

Reddy_Kilowatt · Mar 22, 2018

ac106
What i find interesting is that they ban so many people and there are STILL dozens and dozens of inane, juvenile and redundant posts. Can you imagine what a cesspool it would be if the Mods weren't fascists jackaboot wearing bastards???

I'd like to see more of the assholes NOT get booted, and start banning all of the whiners who consider it a personal affront to them that Rolex released a 11XXXX that's totally gonna tank the value of their watch.

Faz · Mar 22, 2018

U ulackfocus
So let me get this straight.... telling somebody to be polite when they ask for your time & knowledge is egotistical elitism?

NOW GET OFF MY LAWN!!!! 😜

Forget the "Speedmaster Forum" suggestion - let's have a "rude millennial" forum instead!

Rasputin · Mar 22, 2018

Nobel Prize
I remember once I was invited to a social dinner at a new acquaintances’ home. When I realized the host and a couple of the other friends at the table where dermatologists I seized the opportunity and politely asked “ Would you please tell me if this genital wart is something I should be worried about?” You should have seen the reaction; I’ve never seen a group of people this rude in my life. Needless to say I’ll never join their parties again. I think they know because I’ve never been invited back.

This begs the question... did you proceed to show them said “genital wart”?😉

Nobel Prize · Mar 22, 2018

Rasputin
This begs the question... did you proceed to show them said “genital wart”?😉

How could I possibly expect them to evaluate without seeing it. Now THAT would be impolite!

rcs914 · Mar 22, 2018

Meme-Dweller
The problem with TRF is their abusive moderators. Got a 6-month ban for making a single joke about the UK steel sports shortage. Did a PayPal dispute on my $100 pledge immediately after and got my money back. Screw those guys. You don't know how great OF is until you've been to TRF.

Plus, any forum that requires you to have an account to see attached photos is trash.

TRF does Rolex no favors with people's opinions about the brand and those that own Rolexes.

ulackfocus · Mar 22, 2018

U ulackfocus
Opinions are welcome. Trolls are not. Time will tell....

Well, it took less than a few hours to figure him out. 🙄 😜

Beware of “The Rolex Forum”

larryganz

STANDY

bonerp

michael22

Nobel Prize

STANDY

bonerp

Nobel Prize

JimInOz

ulackfocus

ac106

GordonL

Nobel Prize

sjg22

Reddy_Kilowatt

Faz

Rasputin

Nobel Prize

rcs914

ulackfocus

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