Beware of “The Rolex Forum”

ulackfocus · Mar 21, 2018

mayankyadav
<ranting>No offence but If it annoys you, how about just ignoring it ? Or thats too difficult for your ego filled with elitism?
I cant help but notice that off late there are several posts of trying to school posters who are comparatively new here on manmerism, morality, responsibility and what not! </ranting>

So let me get this straight.... telling somebody to be polite when they ask for your time & knowledge is egotistical elitism?

Um, personally I think most of the under-40 crowd NEEDS a dose of common courtesy. They're getting too blunt and entitled, and have forgotten the basics of interacting with people because of the 140-character-or-less curt mentality.

NOW GET OFF MY LAWN!!!! 😜

Forget the "Speedmaster Forum" suggestion - let's have a "rude millennial" forum instead!

Foo2rama · Mar 21, 2018

mayankyadav
<ranting>No offence but If it annoys you, how about just ignoring it ? Or thats too difficult for your ego filled with elitism?
I cant help but notice that off late there are several posts of trying to school posters who are comparatively new here on manmerism, morality, responsibility and what not! </ranting>

As someone that goes out of the way to answer new poster questions there has been more then a few recently that where very entitled. Hell a dealer came on asking for a free evaluation and his user name was watchseller or something like that. He was expecting a full history on the watch never said please or hello or anything.

That bothers me.

FreelanceWriter · Mar 21, 2018

U ulackfocus
So let me get this straight.... telling somebody to be polite when they ask for your time & knowledge is egotistical elitism?

I think all he's saying is: (1) What constitutes "politeness" (especially in this context) is highly subjective, and (2) Just ignoring someone's thread because you think it's impolite to ask questions the way he did, ironically, might be more polite than chastising him for it.

Someone posting a thread with a question isn't necessarily asking for your time & knowledge, specifically; he's only asking for the time and knowledge of anybody not offended by the form of his request. Personally, I prefer the direct approach of someone's just asking a question to having someone who really only needs a specific question answered feel obligated to "introduce" himself first. IMO, it's his prerogative to participate more after getting his questioned answered and it's the prerogative of everyone else to respond to the thread or ignore it for any reason.

A few months ago, someone signed up here, apparently, just seeking some info on finding a Flightmaster crystal. I happened to know the answer and responded without any issue. Someone else then responded to the thread strictly to chastise the OP for getting right to his question without more of an introduction and suggested that my responding to it was excessively nice. I responded, essentially, the exact same way as mayankyadav, suggesting that if anybody considered the OP's approach to be rude, one could simply exemplify politeness and the avoidance or rudeness by ignoring the thread altogether instead of chastising the OP for simply asking for the information he sought. The poster who had initially referred to me as being excessively nice then took great offense to my comment, seemed to take it as a personal insult or accusation of rudeness on his part, and then vowed never to help or provide any information to me in the future, in the event I ever needed it.

mayankyadav · Mar 21, 2018

Apologies if my words seemed harsh ..

I only said that coz at times people whose first language is not English ( for e.g. me) can forget to use words like please, sorry or thank you!
Doesnt mean they arent polite thought, does it ?
I personally try being polite to everybody ( may be you can check all my previous posts and you will be pleased on my mannerism ::psy::

, I qualify my question every time with a please and emd it with a Thank you and then thank people responding individually as well, if I feel the need to talk to someone over PM I first apologize for intruding in their inbox 😝 and then ask my question... heck I even call them by sir coz I dont know their names) but once someone somewher else insulted me coz I was supposedly not using exclamation mark properly in my sentences... I dont know to this date how and when to use exclamation ( dint try to learn).. so that was the background of my rant I guess..cheers!

JimInOz · Mar 21, 2018

STANDY
I got banned for joining with a screen name. Overpriced Seiko's

Lack of humour in my book 🙄

FIFY.

And here's a stack of spares for you to use - ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' '

😗

Edit: You probably just got banned for bad punctuation, I doubt that any over there know what Seiko means.

adi4 · Mar 21, 2018

mayankyadav
Apologies if my words seemed harsh ..

I only said that coz at times people whose first language is not English ( for e.g. me) can forget to use words like please, sorry or thank you!
Doesnt mean they arent polite thought, does it ?
I personally try being polite to everybody ( may be you can check all my previous posts and you will be pleased on my mannerism , I qualify my question every time with a please and emd it with a Thank you and then thank people responding individually as well, if I feel the need to talk to someone over PM I first apologize for intruding in their inbox 😝 and then ask my question... heck I even call them by sir coz I dont know their names) but once someone somewher else insulted me coz I was supposedly not using exclamation mark properly in my sentences... I dont know to this date how and when to use exclamation ( dint try to learn).. so that was the background of my rant I guess..cheers!

I don't think it's necessarily about using specific words, it's the tone of the questions more often that get those responses. Trust me, English is my 3rd language, but manners are a universal language that involves more than just the exact words you use or your grammar.

gostang9 · Mar 21, 2018

Politeness and etiquette are very challenging on global online forums:
- different levels of English proficiency and understanding
- vastly different cultural norms (Japanese vs American, etc)
- different personalities and style preferences (some like short/sweet, others like lengthy details)
- anonymity granted by pisting online
- few brief words that give others an impression of someone, could be very different than if you met them in person

At the end of the day, most people get back what they put out.

Nobel Prize · Mar 21, 2018

Let’s take the personal cases off the board for a second. And not intending to go after anyone here even if I use concrete examples.

Please, Thank you etc are not language issues. In every language I know, in every country I have ever visited there is an equivalent to please and Thank you.

If I go to a Chinese forum today and ask a question I guarantee you I’ll look up how to say please and Thank you. In fact, specially if I’m not writing on my native language I make an effort to not be misunderstood.

And Yes, to refer to someone else’s post, there is something refreshing about directness. But directness is not exclusive from civil or polite. I can start a post and say. “ I have this watch. Need information. Be specific: price, year”. Or I can say. “Hey, sorry to be so direct on first post but I really need this information: price, age etc. Any help will be appreciated and Thank you in advance for your time.” Both are direct, one is polite, both are in English ( and I’m not)

Lastly, why not ignore it? Because if we ignore it we become “that” forum. This forum is better because we all care to make it better. There’s less trolling, there’s less nonsense, and there are less impolite self serving posts or silly posts because we care to strive and hold each other to a certain standard. My suggestion, to nobody in particular, and not representing the forum in any official capacity is:

RATHER THAN ASK THE FORUM MEMBERS TO IGNORE AN OFFENSIVE POST.... BE MY GUEST AND IGNORE THIS FORUM. In other words, post in “that” forum

Again, just me. I don’t speak for the actual Forum elders, or members or founders so don’t blame all of them for my words.... just ignore them.

bloomy · Mar 21, 2018

So did you end up using the search bar and did it work?

jetkins · Mar 21, 2018

STANDY
I got banned for joining with a screen name. Overpriced Seiko,s

Lack of humour in my book 🙄

I'm gonna guess "Cyclops" probably wouldn't fly, either.

mayankyadav · Mar 21, 2018

[QUOTE why not ignore it? Because if we ignore it we become “that” forum. This forum is better because we all care to make it better. There’s less trolling, there’s less nonsense, and there are less impolite self serving posts or silly posts because we care to strive and hold each other to a certain standard.

Well said, agree and thanks to all of you who have made this place what it is.

My suggestion, to nobody in particular, and not representing the forum in any official capacity is:

RATHER THAN ASK THE FORUM MEMBERS TO IGNORE AN OFFENSIVE POST.... BE MY GUEST AND IGNORE THIS FORUM. In other words, post in “that” forum.[/QUOTE]

I have always been polite so i am staying. Was just trying to make a point for someone who inadvertently, by mistake or for any other reason forgot to look polite but had no intention of being anything close to impolite..

Meme-Dweller · Mar 21, 2018

The problem with TRF is their abusive moderators. Got a 6-month ban for making a single joke about the UK steel sports shortage. Did a PayPal dispute on my $100 pledge immediately after and got my money back. Screw those guys. You don't know how great OF is until you've been to TRF.

Plus, any forum that requires you to have an account to see attached photos is trash.

jetkins · Mar 21, 2018

eugeneandresson
The only problems I have with it equate to the same problems this brave soul has when asked to find treasure...

Some treasure should remain lost forever.

jetkins · Mar 21, 2018

U ulackfocus
Forget the "Speedmaster Forum" suggestion - let's have a "rude millennial" forum instead!

Or a curmudgeon forum.

Oh, wait...

ulackfocus · Mar 21, 2018

jetkins
Or a curmudgeon forum.

Oh, wait...

😜 😜 😜 😜 😜 😜 😜 That's like creating a "Kid's Day" holiday.

Reddy_Kilowatt · Mar 21, 2018

Meme-Dweller
The problem with TRF is their abusive moderators. Got a 6-month ban for making a single joke about the UK steel sports shortage. Did a PayPal dispute on my $100 pledge immediately after and got my money back. Screw those guys. You don't know how great OF is until you've been to TRF.

Plus, any forum that requires you to have an account to see attached photos is trash.

It's pretty amazing how many members have been banned over there. They seem to be a touch trigger-happy. Of course some of those asshats deserve it. 😉

ulackfocus · Mar 21, 2018

FreelanceWriter · Mar 22, 2018

Nobel Prize
...Lastly, why not ignore it? Because if we ignore it we become “that” forum. This forum is better because we all care to make it better. There’s less trolling, there’s less nonsense, and there are less impolite self serving posts or silly posts because we care to strive and hold each other to a certain standard. My suggestion, to nobody in particular, and not representing the forum in any official capacity is: RATHER THAN ASK THE FORUM MEMBERS TO IGNORE AN OFFENSIVE POST.... BE MY GUEST AND IGNORE THIS FORUM. In other words, post in “that” forum

The problem that I think you're still overlooking is that politeness in this context is just way too subjective for anybody to be imposing his sensibilities on others or (especially) to suggest that anyone who disagrees with your particular sensibilities should leave this forum.

Asking a simple question about a watch without more of an introduction (or a preemptive apology) isn't like sneezing in someone's face, letting a door slam on the person behind you, or not thanking someone for holding a door or for helping you after the fact. Those are all universally considered impolite. I just don't think that asking a question is even remotely in that category, even if it's a view shared by many members of an online forum.
Sure, it's also possible to phrase a question obnoxiously, but I get the sense that some people here are offended by questions that aren't necessarily inherently obnoxious in any objective sense. IMO, it's shouldn't be necessary to become these guys to avoid being accused of impoliteness.

Foo2rama · Mar 22, 2018

FreelanceWriter
I think all he's saying is: (1) What constitutes "politeness" (especially in this context) is highly subjective, and (2) Just ignoring someone's thread because you think it's impolite to ask questions the way he did, ironically, might be more polite than chastising him for it.

Someone posting a thread with a question isn't necessarily asking for your time & knowledge, specifically; he's only asking for the time and knowledge of anybody not offended by the form of his request. Personally, I prefer the direct approach of someone's just asking a question to having someone who really only needs a specific question answered feel obligated to "introduce" himself first. IMO, it's his prerogative to participate more after getting his questioned answered and it's the prerogative of everyone else to respond to the thread or ignore it for any reason.

A few months ago, someone signed up here, apparently, just seeking some info on finding a Flightmaster crystal. I happened to know the answer and responded without any issue. Someone else then responded to the thread strictly to chastise the OP for getting right to his question without more of an introduction and suggested that my responding to it was excessively nice. I responded, essentially, the exact same way as mayankyadav, suggesting that if anybody considered the OP's approach to be rude, one could simply exemplify politeness and the avoidance or rudeness by ignoring the thread altogether instead of chastising the OP for simply asking for the information he sought. The poster who had initially referred to me as being excessively nice then took great offense to my comment, seemed to take it as a personal insult or accusation of rudeness on his part, and then vowed never to help or provide any information to me in the future, in the event I ever needed it.

Asking a specific question generally does not draw ire.

Asking for an evaluation of 5 watches on eBay and not showing you have even attempted to do some research... first post demanding a price and history for a piece and not being polite... that does incite the curmudgeons.

GordonL · Mar 22, 2018

STANDY
I got banned for joining with a screen name. Overpriced Seikos

Lack of humour in my book 🙄

FIFY

A simple plural requires no apostrophe.

Beware of “The Rolex Forum”

ulackfocus

Foo2rama

FreelanceWriter

mayankyadav

JimInOz

adi4

gostang9

Nobel Prize

bloomy

jetkins

mayankyadav

Meme-Dweller

jetkins

jetkins

ulackfocus

Reddy_Kilowatt

ulackfocus

FreelanceWriter

Foo2rama

GordonL

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