Are speedmasters a good investment?

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I love my one speedmaster I have - a 1977 model I bought it in 2016 off of Ebay for $2075 and then spent about $800 on a service. So around $3K all told. If I had instead spent that money in 2016 by buying 3 bitcoin a selling them at the peak I would have made almost $200,000. So my speedmaster, at its current value of around $5K was not a good investment comparatively, but I haven't lost money on it.
Bitcoin is overrated anyway. Can it time an egg? Labor contractions? Time in flight? NO. Does it look cool like a tritium Speedmaster? NO. And a Speedmaster will never get you indicted for fraud. See, you’re better off.
 
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Bitcoin is overrated anyway. Can it time an egg? Labor contractions? Time in flight? NO. Does it look cool like a tritium Speedmaster? NO. And a Speedmaster will never get you indicted for fraud. See, you’re better off.

Exactly. What monetary value can you assign to the thrill of the hunt, acquisition, and constant joy of an item like a watch that can give you so much pleasure? And them possibly hand down to someone else for continued fun? If you calculate that in, they are a great investment…and a bargain.
 
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Timing is everything and there's no way to know in advance whether something is a good investment or not. When it's time to sell then you'll know.
 
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Its a good investment in happiness and daily enjoyment, life is too short to make good financial decisions
 
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Timing is everything and there's no way to know in advance whether something is a good investment or not. When it's time to sell then you'll know.
Not entirely accurate. Over the long haul, the U.S. stock market has been a very, very good place to invest, bear markets notwithstanding. As they say, past performance is not a guarantee of future returns, but it’s a pretty damn good indicator.
 
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Not entirely accurate. Over the long haul, the U.S. stock market has been a very, very good place to invest, bear markets notwithstanding. As they say, past performance is not a guarantee of future returns, but it’s a pretty damn good indicator.

Personally I wouldn't invest in the stock market now. It's still overvalued and overdue for a MAJOR correction. I doubt we'll see new highs in a very long time. Possibly not in my lifetime. On the other hand, some commodities are looking very attractive.
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Personally I wouldn't invest in the stock market now. It's still overvalued and overdue for a MAJOR correction. I doubt we'll see new highs in a very long time. Possibly not in my lifetime. On the other hand, some commodities are looking very attractive.
Given that the average bear market lasts about 363 days and the average bull market lasts about 1,742 days, history - and the averages - are not with you. I’ve been steadily investing in equities for more than 30 years and haven’t found any investment with a better overall rate of return despite years like 2008 and 2022. Your mileage may vary.
 
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Speedmaster = non income producing asset with low carry cost, high enjoyment factor and value depending on supply and demand.

Not a good financial asset but certainly a good joy producing one that doesn’t cost much to keep…unlike, let’s say, almost any other fun thing.

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Given that the average bear market lasts about 363 days and the average bull market lasts about 1,742 days, history - and the averages - are not with you. I’ve been steadily investing in equities for more than 30 years and haven’t found any investment with a better overall rate of return despite years like 2008 and 2022. Your mileage may vary.

Sure but the stock market is artificially inflated like never before in history.
 
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Sure but the stock market is artificially inflated like never before in history.
Factual basis for this assertion? Doesn’t matter. We both like Speedmasters.
 
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Sure but the stock market is artificially inflated like never before in history.
It’s obscenely inflated in the tech side especially. What’s worrying is that a lot of very large, old and stable non-tech companies have tried to pivot into tech companies or add tech subsidiaries in recent years as a result of being embarrassed by only being able to deliver normal healthy profits rather than exponential profits.

It affords them certain other benefits too, you have your bullshit tech subsidiary, shuffle opex costs and even staff salaries from unprofitable business units into that tech subsidiary where instead of being considered expenses or losses, they become capex “investments” in the future of the bogus tech subsidiary.

If you can throw together a slide deck with the words AI or blockchain in it, even if there is nothing even approaching a viable business plan, you can get 10s of millions in funding from idiots. There hasn’t been this much stupid money floating around since the dotcom boom.

This bloke just the other day made a fake AI generated tech bro profile mentioning a stealth startup and in under 24 hours a VC wanted to invest.

https://www.firstpost.com/world/ent...fer-from-vc-within-24-hours-12217672.html/amp
 
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Speedmaster = non income producing asset with low carry cost, high enjoyment factor and value depending on supply and demand.

Not a good financial asset but certainly a good joy producing one that doesn’t cost much to keep…unlike, let’s say, almost any other fun thing.

Cheers

Not much to keep? How much is a service now, about $750 at an authorized watchmaker? Every five years...

Plus risk of loss if you wear it in public or if you are burglarized.

Get a speedmaster if you love them, not because you'll make money from them.
 
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Given that the average bear market lasts about 363 days and the average bull market lasts about 1,742 days, history - and the averages - are not with you. I’ve been steadily investing in equities for more than 30 years and haven’t found any investment with a better overall rate of return despite years like 2008 and 2022. Your mileage may vary.
Completely agree that over the long haul being invested in the stock market will be a winner, but there have been lengthy periods where after a market decline it takes a long time to get back to that previous high. After a high in Jan 1973 it took until 1985 for investors to get their money back from US stocks in real terms. From a high in Mar 2000 it took 6.7 years to get back to that level, and from another high in Oct 2007 it took until mid-2012. A lot of people now are thinking we are in one of those markets where it all goes sideways for awhile, at least until Nov 2024 when the next election takes place. If your time horizon is long it probably makes sense to dollar-cost average into the market, those whose time frame is shorter should be cautious. I'm now 40% in cash, buying bank CDs which are now paying 5% APR, or solid stocks that pay a strong dividend that can sustain the market turmoil. The market is dead right now, proceed with caution, there won't be much share appreciation in the near future. Cash and dividends are the way to go.
 
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Completely agree that over the long haul being invested in the stock market will be a winner, but there have been lengthy periods where after a market decline it takes a long time to get back to that previous high. After a high in Jan 1973 it took until 1985 for investors to get their money back from US stocks in real terms. From a high in Mar 2000 it took 6.7 years to get back to that level, and from another high in Oct 2007 it took until mid-2012. A lot of people now are thinking we are in one of those markets where it all goes sideways for awhile, at least until Nov 2024 when the next election takes place. If your time horizon is long it probably makes sense to dollar-cost average into the market, those whose time frame is shorter should be cautious. I'm now 40% in cash, buying bank CDs which are now paying 5% APR, or solid stocks that pay a strong dividend that can sustain the market turmoil. The market is dead right now, proceed with caution, there won't be much share appreciation in the near future. Cash and dividends are the way to go.
 
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The best investment is always in yourself. Be it health, education, experience’s or enjoyment.
 
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It all depends on how you define investment. If you define it as an appreciating asset, then no. It may just be incidental that it holds its value well, but you really need to enjoy what you own.
 
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Emotionally they can be a great investment, financially is more difficult. There have been some recent pieces that have been shown to be good financial investments; Speedy Tuesday #1 and #2, Ed White 321, the Snoopy's, some of the Tokyo 2020's, and others. Choose what you like and if it appreciates long term it's a bonus.