Aqua terra vs Seamaster 300

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In Rolex watches, the changes to movements are subtle and are updated when the watch is sent for servicing.

If by "subtle" you mean "secretive" then yes you are spot on. Omega is pretty up front with their changes, while Rolex hides as much as they can to make everyone think as you do - that somehow they are "better" at this than everyone else. It's an effective strategy clearly, but Rolex has problems with movements just like everyone else does.
 
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What's the difference between the 8400 and the 8800 movements?

The 8800 and 8400 are completely different movements.

8800 is am 11.5 ligne movement, that is 4.6 mm thick. It has 1 mainspring barrel, uses a ceramic ball bearing on the rotor.

The 8400 is a 13 ligne movement, that is 5.5 mm thick. It has 2 mainspring barrels, and uses a plain bearing with a post in jewels like a Rolex, but using zirconium-oxide jewels.

More differences than similarities.
 
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If by "subtle" you mean "secretive" then yes you are spot on. Omega is pretty up front with their changes, while Rolex hides as much as they can to make everyone think as you do - that somehow they are "better" at this than everyone else. It's an effective strategy clearly, but Rolex has problems with movements just like everyone else does.

Marketing is essential, and Rolex is probably better at marketing than Omega IMO, and the customer pays for that. By subtle, I meant that you don't see 3135 A as opposed to 3135 B movement, giving you a sense of stability. In the same vein, the submariner or the DJ design kept changes very close to the original design since inception. That is stability, but it's also a business model. compare that to ythe Omega business model with too many models. On other fronts, I prefer Omega, you can get any omega watch no matter how old serviced- at a costly fee- but at least it's possible. Rolex, maybe not always, but sometimes can give you a harder time for older models.

I know that Rolex has issues with the movement that's why parts change during services, how often and how big the issues are compared to others, I'd leave that to you and other watchmakers, I simply don't know. Would you care to chime in? I'd like to hear your opinion as a watchmaker on Coaxial movements too.

Whether Rolex is better than Omega or not is an opinion, just by quoting annual sales they seem to have better reach and brand name at this juncture, they didn't in the seventies, at least to me. Small issues today like white gold hands vs rhodium plated ones definitely gives the impression of quality, So it's not only hype.

FWIW, I grew up at a time when wristwatches were essential tools, now they're more like a luxury item, Giffen goods, or jewelry.

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The 8800 and 8400 are completely different movements.

8800 is am 11.5 ligne movement, that is 4.6 mm thick. It has 1 mainspring barrel, uses a ceramic ball bearing on the rotor.

The 8400 is a 13 ligne movement, that is 5.5 mm thick. It has 2 mainspring barrels, and uses a plain bearing with a post in jewels like a Rolex, but using zirconium-oxide jewels.

More differences than similarities.
So does the difference in design and mainspring barrels impact performance from a user/customer point of view?
 
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Marketing is essential, and Rolex is probably better at marketing than Omega IMO, and the customer pays for that. By subtle, I meant that you don't see 3135 A as opposed to 3135 B movement, giving you a sense of stability.

Yes, exactly as I said - but that sense of stability is mostly an illusion. The 3135 was a massive success, but the last one to roll of the line wasn't the same as the first one, as changes were made over it's lifetime to fix things. The 3135 lasted from around 1988 to what 2016 or so before a successor was introduced? How about it's predecessor, the 3035? It lasted about 10 years...

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I know that Rolex has issues with the movement that's why parts change during services, how often and how big the issues are compared to others, I'd leave that to you and other watchmakers, I simply don't know. Would you care to chime in?

Again this is a deliberate strategy, because when you send a Rolex in for service, they don't send you back the parts they changed as Omega does. They will tell you this is an anti-counterfeiting decision, but no one is going to make an entire watch using worn out parts and sell it as real. They do this to give the impression that all it needed was a clean and lubrication, and adding to the idea that their movements are somehow more robust. Parts inside Rolex movements wear out just like any other movement.

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I'd like to hear your opinion as a watchmaker on Coaxial movements too.

They have been a great differentiator for Omega, but IMO offer little in the way of practical advantages, and present some disadvantages with regards to options for servicing.
 
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So does the difference in design and mainspring barrels impact performance from a user/customer point of view?

Longer power reserve.
 
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I like em both.. Lol.. Otherwise I wouldn't keep em both..
 
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Yes, exactly as I said - but that sense of stability is mostly an illusion. The 3135 was a massive success, but the last one to roll of the line wasn't the same as the first one, as changes were made over it's lifetime to fix things. The 3135 lasted from around 1988 to what 2016 or so before a successor was introduced? How about it's predecessor, the 3035? It lasted about 10 years...



Again this is a deliberate strategy, because when you send a Rolex in for service, they don't send you back the parts they changed as Omega does. They will tell you this is an anti-counterfeiting decision, but no one is going to make an entire watch using worn out parts and sell it as real. They do this to give the impression that all it needed was a clean and lubrication, and adding to the idea that their movements are somehow more robust. Parts inside Rolex movements wear out just like any other movement.



They have been a great differentiator for Omega, but IMO offer little in the way of practical advantages, and present some disadvantages with regards to options for servicing.

Thank you very much Archer
I totally agree, I never received any old parts from Rolex as Omega does... Thank you for the input....

Maybe I should buy a Speedy with the lemania based 1861 or 1863 movement in that case, I'm a bit old fashioned, but how are these movements when it comes to servicing, I read somewhere on this board that you didn't think that the delrin break was a deal-breaker in any way, others have said that the 1861 is more accurate than the 1863, but I can't see how if the break is the only difference between the two save the nicer looks.

Thanks again
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Thank you very much Archer
I totally agree, I never received any old parts from Rolex as Omega does... Thank you for the input....

Maybe I should buy a Speedy with the lemania based 1861 or 1863 movement in that case, I'm a bit old fashioned, but how are these movements when it comes to servicing, I read somewhere on this board that you didn't think that the delrin break was a deal-breaker in any way, others have said that the 1861 is more accurate than the 1863, but I can't see how if the break is the only difference between teh two save the nicer looks.

Thanks again

No difference between the 1861 and 1863 with regards to accuracy, or really anything else from a performance standpoint.