Anyone imported a watch yet after Brexit to UK from EU?

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Just to clarify a few things, if it helps:

- VAT is a consumption/sales tax, levied on goods and services, some goods are exempt (in the UK, books, food, children's clothing), other things have VAT but at different rates (20%, 5%, 0%)
- Customs duties are taxes imposed when goods cross borders, applied at different rates for different types of products, depending on whether the UK government is trying to protect its internal base, or control the flow of certain good etc
- Excises - typically a tax applied on manufactured goods at the manufacturing end and typically in country. It's also been said it's for the stuff the government is trying (but not too hard) to get us to use less of - in the UK that's alcohol, cigarettes and petrol..

So what (and how) gets applied depends on a range of factors - is it a private or commercial seller, whether the goods are physically inside or outside the UK at time of supply, whether the value is more than £135, customs code that applies, whether the sale is to a business or to an end-consumer, and whether an on-line market place is being used or if it is a direct sale.

Generally EU imports into the U.K. above £135 will be charged VAT, possibly customs duty, excise if it is an excisable product, probably a handling fee, and U.K. VAT on the handling fee. This means that for used watches/parts, as a rough rule of thumb, I add roughly 20-23% to the price of the watch/parts. I expect most on-line platforms to charge/collect this from the buyer (it is what the eBay GSP has been doing for sales from the UK to US customers for example). If you aren’t charged this, then you’ve been lucky to get away with it...
 
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Now that the UK has left the EU, the UK government can choose what goods to apply VAT to or not, and the rate, hence for example the recent removal of VAT on feminine hygiene products (not sure if they made it exempt or reduced the rate to 0).

What I'm not sure they could do, at least optically/politically, is to remove VAT from all EU products - our other trading partners such as the US would cry foul. After all, why should VAT be levied on something from the US and not the EU? And if the UK govt lifted it for everyone, it would further put UK companies at a huge disadvantage. Not I suspect that anyone is rushing to buy a Bremont...
 
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Now that the UK has left the EU, the UK government can choose what goods to apply VAT to or not, and the rate, hence for example the recent removal of VAT on feminine hygiene products (not sure if they made it exempt or reduced the rate to 0).

What I'm not sure they could do, at least optically/politically, is to remove VAT from all EU products - our other trading partners such as the US would cry foul. After all, why should VAT be levied on something from the US and not the EU? And if the UK govt lifted it for everyone, it would further put UK companies at a huge disadvantage. Not I suspect that anyone is rushing to buy a Bremont...

Or they could remove vat for anything used that has already had tax payed somewhere.
 
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Or they could remove vat for anything used that has already had tax payed somewhere.

May be we can lobby for the removal of VAT on everything secondhand and say below £3k? Rules out decent Speedies and probably every Rolex, but would ensuring a thriving market for us more lowly collectors...
 
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May be we can lobby for the removal of VAT on everything secondhand and say below £3k? Rules out decent Speedies and probably every Rolex, but would ensuring a thriving market for us more lowly collectors...
This is exactly what I suggested on the previous page (minus the 3k cap).
 
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This is exactly what I suggested on the previous page (minus the 3k cap).

This thread is going round in circles like others on the same subject. Every so often a new poster comes in, presumably not having read what has been said previously, and restates everything that has already been said as if it is new information.

Gets a little wearing but you learn to ignore it.
 
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This is exactly what I suggested on the previous page (minus the 3k cap).
Actually think it was me that suggested it 😜
 
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This thread is going round in circles like others on the same subject. Every so often a new poster comes in, presumably not having read what has been said previously, and restates everything that has already been said as if it is new information.

Gets a little wearing but you learn to ignore it.

Actually I did note the previous comment, but suggested the cap as an addition, as the current limit of £135 is set too low and barely gets you a nice strap. At the same time having no limit would probably be politically unacceptable - imagine the headlines when a footballer buys and brings in a vintage Daytona...
 
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Actually I did note the previous comment, but suggested the cap as an addition, as the current limit of £135 is set too low and barely gets you a nice strap. At the same time having no limit would probably be politically unacceptable - imagine the headlines when a footballer buys and brings in a vintage Daytona...
Ahh. That's ok then 👍
 
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Actually I did note the previous comment, but suggested the cap as an addition, as the current limit of £135 is set too low and barely gets you a nice strap. At the same time having no limit would probably be politically unacceptable - imagine the headlines when a footballer buys and brings in a vintage Daytona...
By the way you still pay vat below £135 but it is collected at point of sale and not on import.
Nothing is technically vat free

From gov.uk below
 
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Here is an interesting article on the BBC website on the subject re. the new buying experiences... Amazon.de is now my new Amazon.co.uk
 
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By the way you still pay vat below £135 but it is collected at point of sale and not on import.
Nothing is technically vat free

From gov.uk below
Yes but if you buy from a private seller, they do not "collect" VAT, so then I presume you get off free.
 
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Yes but if you buy from a private seller, they do not "collect" VAT, so then I presume you get off free.
True if that's the way they are willing to operate but may be an insurance risk to send through the post without the value sated and vat paid declaration.
 
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I've had a handful of deliveries from EU this week. One watch over £135 threshold. Declared at £400, so far no VAT bill. One watch declared under £135 threshold, and no VAT paid at point of sale. No VAT bill. A selection of vintage buckles and Bergen tools on Ebay, each from the same seller on Ebay - 20% applied at point of sale on all items. I wonder if bills might start coming in over the next couple of weeks after the items arrive? I hope not...
 
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I've had a handful of deliveries from EU this week. One watch over £135 threshold. Declared at £400, so far no VAT bill. One watch declared under £135 threshold, and no VAT paid at point of sale. No VAT bill. A selection of vintage buckles and Bergen tools on Ebay, each from the same seller on Ebay - 20% applied at point of sale on all items. I wonder if bills might start coming in over the next couple of weeks after the items arrive? I hope not...
Dont think you will get a bill afterwards. HMRC always said it would take them time to get up to speed and the pandemic will further complicate things. I suspect it will be hit and miss for some time yet and maybe a bit of a post code lottery. Enjoy the good fortune.
 
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Likes of Chrono 24 will suffer as prices in Europe could fall to compensate for import taxes
Lower prices less commission
You would think these guys and the auction houses would be lobbying hard!
 
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Likes of Chrono 24 will suffer as prices in Europe could fall to compensate for import taxes
Lower prices less commission
You would think these guys and the auction houses would be lobbying hard!
That's a big jump to make and far from inevitable.
Sure uk buyers will think twice before buying from eu countries but eu buyers will likewise now think twice before buying from the uk. I suspect though that people will still buy watches in similar numbers so no real change in volumes overall just from/to different destinations. We in the uk lose out overall with the domestic choice now being a smaller marketplace
Not sure on relative size of those markets and the likely long term impact but it will be interesting to observe developments.
 
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Just had an email about this very issue from Watchmaster. This will surely have a very negative impact on the ‘big’ sellers of secondhand watches who are mostly German based if a large proportion of their customers are UK based.
So what’s the long term implication........my guess

UK buyers less likely to buy from Europe (chrono24, watchmaster, eBay etc).
European buyers the same but in the opposite direction.
Prices won’t change much as one will equal out the other.
 
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On a side note to the above, as well as VAT being added on all items. On items over £135 import duties are also added. From my understanding, our deal with the EU dictate no import duties on goods manufactured in the uk and then exported into Europe. And vice versa. But if the item is manufacture in a third country and exported out of the uk into Europe then duty is paid. This means that the uk cant act as a back door to avoid European tariffs.
So my question is, do Swiss watches count as a third country, and the obvious brand that will be affected is Seiko.