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  1. laughing_cavlier Jan 25, 2016

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    Don't really 'collect' pocket watches but this is mine 18K, late 19th century, English, three quarter plate, open faced, key less wind, by R C Oldfield, Liverpool. I wear it on very special occasions (like meeting the queen. yes I have:cool:) It belonged to a Navy Chaplain who saw a lot of action before his retirement (when he was given the watch in 1907). Rather interestingly it had been lying around in the watchmakers shop for 9 years before it sold! It would have been a pretty high quality thing at the time and I guess he couldn't sell it for the right price until then! oldfield2.jpg oldfield1.jpg oldfield3.jpg
    p.s. in case anyone is wondering, the tie is from Liberty of London:)
     
  2. TexOmega Jan 25, 2016

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    Ball-Elgin 333

    RR grade

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  3. TexOmega Jan 25, 2016

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    Heavy gold Hunter....Gruen circa 1910-12...case and dial 14kt.

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  4. Pvt-Public Jan 25, 2016

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    I have to find a Ball Official RR Standard dial i can afford some where. The dial I have is just..... BAD !
    Anyways a couple more Hammies
    922 (not a masterpiece damnnit) circa 1928
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    956 circa 1914
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    956 circa 1921
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    4992B circa 1950
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  5. ahartfie The black sheep in the Spee-ee-eee-eedmaster flock Jan 25, 2016

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    I inherited my great-grandfather's Lange. My guess is it's from 1908 or so when he got married. Sorry for the weird angles but the lighting here is awful. image.jpeg image.jpeg image.jpeg
     
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  6. OMTOM Jan 26, 2016

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    How lovely! There's some quality there.
     
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  7. DLT222 Double D @ ΩF Staff Member Jan 26, 2016

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    I dont collect pocket watches but i do have a DOXA Military issue with G.S.T.P and the Broad Arrow on the back. Its a non runner and would part with it if anyone is interested. Message me for photos.

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  8. michael e Still learning. Jan 26, 2016

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    I used to collect pocket watches, I still have a few but seem to have a liking for these Omega Goliath watches with light bulbs.
    I'm in the process of repairing the silver inlaid tortoise shell case for one of them, I plan to get them all lit up again.

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  9. OMTOM Jan 27, 2016

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    @michael e
    As shown on the dial of your watches, the lighting ‘modification’ was a Swiss patent by M&M (number 10292) which dates from April 1895. This modification was made to several pocket watches over many years (mostly but not only Omega). You show two Omega Calibre 27’’’ and one Cal.30’’’. I also have one that is the 103 mm Omega Cal.30/40. The bulbs are tiny but nonetheless 9 volt – the large dry-cell batteries from this period are themselves historic!

    AJTT is a wonderful production – but I regret is inaccurate with its description of this watch (Page 206). It shows a Cal.30’’’ from 1898 and a Cal.27’’’ from 1905 and mentions that ‘the watch … has been “electrified”, no doubt by its owner’ – but both watches displayed show ‘M&M Patent’ on the dial (this modification was not done by the owner!).

    The M&M patent was the introduction of the electrodes – in the following image, the positive electrode is seen, the watch case was the negative connection: contact was made with the battery by the fittings in the box which also contained the (large!) battery.

    When these watches are sold nowadays, the description often states that it is a WWI watch (in the hopes of making it more attractive): although older watches might still have been used in the trenches, these watches date from well before WWI, availability of batteries would have been difficult and of most significance, the complete box is BIG and HEAVY, not something to carry around!

    A final historical note: the Swiss M&M patent is accredited to Arthur Duffek and Bohumil Holub in Prague, Bohemia, Austria. Czechoslovakia was not formed until 1918.

    All a far cry from a Speedmaster!
    Tom

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  10. OMTOM Jan 27, 2016

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    J C Vickery were not the only suppliers of the M&M patented ‘lit’ pocket watch but they were one of the main Omega agents of the time (approximately 1900).
    J C Vickery were established in Regent Street in London by 1890 and by 1900 had premises at 179, 181 and 183 regent Street (substantial!).

    The following advertisement shows the size of the arrangement for the lit pocket watch. Note the tortoiseshell box to which michael e refers.

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  11. michael e Still learning. Jan 27, 2016

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    It is great to see this.
    The one on the left is the same as mine although the case is in a terrible state.
    I have never seen a picture of one before but have bought a switch and wire which is amazingly close to the original above. I also have the battery too which is dated, I will add photos soon.
    Many thanks for the information and especially the photos.
    Thanks Michael
     
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  12. OMTOM Jan 27, 2016

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    Here’s an example of the Ever Ready battery used to power the light.

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  13. michael e Still learning. Jan 27, 2016

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    The box is in a mess. The battery is dated 1915.
    It was sold via auction with no mention of Omega but did say it was the property of King Christian X of Denmark, this I have no proof of though.
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    This one isn't too bad.
    It feature a ratchet mechanism inside which allows the remote switch to be pulled out and retracted under spring pressure.
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  14. Bill Sohne Bill @ ΩF Staff Member Jan 30, 2016

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    Hi tdn


    Not sure if you noticed this but the second and third pocket watche you posted are in a special designed hermetic sealed cases basically a marine pocket watch for miners abs such impervious to dust and heavy humidity ! If you open the car back will you notice a. Larger rubber flat gasket ! Plus the over sized crown ...

    Very cool indeed!


    I have one in my collection .... Plus a lot of omega railroad grade stuff ....

    Good hunting


    Bill Sohne







     
  15. Fritz genuflects before the mighty quartzophobe Jan 30, 2016

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    Pocket watches.... can't stand the things.......
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  16. tdn-dk Jan 31, 2016

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    Hi Bill!

    Yes @Bill Sohne I know, and i can tell you the sealing is very effective I had a struggle to get it closed again :)

    Best Thomas

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  17. OMTOM Jan 31, 2016

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    The caseback is certainly sealed. As Thomas shows in the AJTT extract, Omega described the CK1064 as being their first ‘water-resistant pocket watch’. How was the crown/stem sealed?
     
  18. tdn-dk Jan 31, 2016

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    Well @Bill Sohne sometimes I read to fast, I knew the one with ref. 1064 was this type but, but the other similar i got a long time a go, have no ref. 1064 in the case, but now when i study the pictures i can see the sealing in the case, so it must be an early 1064 maybe?

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  19. OMTOM Jan 31, 2016

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    The CK1064 dated from 1937: at that time, the caseback showed the case serial number. Omega changed later to showing the case reference number. This has been raised before, for example here’s a link:
    https://omegaforums.net/threads/a-couple-of-questions-please.22933/#post-249959

    So it seems you have two versions of the CK1064, one with the case serial number (before the change) and one after the change which shows ‘CK1064’
     
  20. tdn-dk Jan 31, 2016

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    Great news, thanks :)