Another another UG compax dial design

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Masterofkarate

·Jul 14, 2021

Hi. Long time away from this forum and an equally long time away from home. Hope you all are doing alright!

Recently started to look for a new watch to bring home with me and found this on a local site.

its a compax 32412. I have never seen a ug dial like this. And multiple factors make me question its authenticity.

The lettering on the inner seconds dial. The 5 and 6. But maybe it was to mix it up?

the universal geneve font

the overall dial condition.

Searching the referance does not give any matching dials. I get the big 12 dial etc.

Feel free to share some thoughts and light as i might want to pick this up.

 

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aap

·Jul 14, 2021

Definitely redialed

 

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Mark020

·Jul 14, 2021·not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawer

Think so too. What is the serial?

 

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Masterofkarate

·Jul 14, 2021

Mark020

Think so too. What is the serial?

970899
The thing that makes me maybe think it is authentic is the lumen and overall quality of the dial. If its a redial it is a quality job. Past anything I have seen on an UG.

 

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Mark020

·Jul 14, 2021·not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawer

Some close siblings:

In return: can you tell me the movement serial?

 

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Larry S

·Jul 14, 2021·Color Commentator for the Hyperbole.

Not willing to slam the lid on this one either. I’d love to see the inside/ outside case back and movement.

 

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jumpingsecond

·Jul 14, 2021

Whether its a redial or not- if you decide to ever resell it you'll have to go through this exercise of convincing again so for that alone I'd stay clear unless you love it and don't care.

 

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Masterofkarate

·Jul 14, 2021

Larry S

Not willing to slam the lid on this one either. I’d love to see the inside/ outside case back and movement.

Asked for movement shot. He says its a 287.

 

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Masterofkarate

·Jul 14, 2021

Dont know if this is a redial but sharing some similarities.

 

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Masterofkarate

·Jul 14, 2021

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Mark020

In return: can you tell me the movement serial?

Will ask.

 

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bgrisso

·Jul 14, 2021

I would not rush to judgement. My gut impression, without thinking, research, or justification, leans towards original.

The dial printing is quite good, however there are many oddities. To me this suggests more research is needed.

I would identify some key idiosyncrasies of this dial and see what evidence you can find for or against. Ideally you can find this exact dial. However sometimes this is not possible, research is inconclusive, and then you just have to make your own call.

PS I don’t see any immediate reason to question the above spillman dial

 

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·Jul 14, 2021

bgrisso

The dial printing is quite good,

Hey B! What about these parts?

 

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bgrisso

·Jul 14, 2021

aap

Hey B! What about these parts?

the boxy 5 and 6 in the minute track are very odd. Some of the minute hash spacing is also not consistent. I'm not suggesting there are not questions.

it's just my personal approach i guess, in cases like this where I'm on the fence, not to form an opinion without detailed research. I find UG to be too inconsistent and unknowable.

I could be wrong, and don't have the time to do the necessary research myself

 

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Mark020

·Jul 14, 2021·not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawer

Another one: https://mentawatches.com/product/brands/universal-geneve/universal-geneve-two-tone-compax/

 

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Mark020

·Jul 14, 2021·not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawer

Masterofkarate

And multiple factors make me question its authenticity.

According to Google translate the seller thinks it is not a redial 😀

 

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martinc

·Jul 14, 2021

I vote for unusual but (probably) original dial.
If you look for the reference on Sala (page 296) the dial on the archive example is similar with the strange “expanded” font of company name:

And here’s a ref. 22493 with, I would say, exactly the same dial and equal font and “boxy” 5’s:
https://www.chrono24.com/universalg...42-military-compax---ref-22493--id9535701.htm

or directly on dealer’s site:
https://www.highlifewatches.com/store/p105/compax1942.html

 

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jumpingsecond

·Jul 14, 2021

Nice homework guys dial looks like the one in Sala. The seller also a member here.

 

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bgrisso

·Jul 15, 2021

martinc

I vote for unusual but (probably) original dial.
If you look for the reference on Sala (page 296) the dial on the archive example is similar with the strange “expanded” font of company name:

And here’s a ref. 22493 with, I would say, exactly the same dial and equal font and “boxy” 5’s:
https://www.chrono24.com/universalg...42-military-compax---ref-22493--id9535701.htm

or directly on dealer’s site:
https://www.highlifewatches.com/store/p105/compax1942.html

good research, and I agree, with two examples plus Sala, I would feel comfortable calling the dial original

 

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Mark020

·Jul 15, 2021·not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawer

Next time: first Sala and then something else ;-)

 

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aap

·Jul 15, 2021

I stand corrected then! After all these years, UG is still a mystery!