All about refinishing dials - seeing the folly of my ways

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That was sort of my point. These dials didn't look like copies to me but new manufacture.

As we know, new dials are not available for all watches. If Omega has a new dial, they will do a swap, but where they don’t, they will refinish the dial.
 
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As we know, new dials are not available for all watches. If Omega has a new dial, they will do a swap, but where they don’t, they will refinish the dial.
Agree totally. It looks like they use the same facilities and methods as new manufacture? In fact, doesn't a video on the Omega site of their restoration methods show pretty much this?
 
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Amazing post, it's always a dilemma. Can I ask how much you were charged for each redial job?
Archer is correct with his comments. I recall paying about $250 for each dial, excluding shipping. The steel chronograph dial was $350 and the yellow gold chronograph dial was part of a full restoration job by Omega back in 2004 at $1,200.
 
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Agree totally. It looks like they use the same facilities and methods as new manufacture? In fact, doesn't a video on the Omega site of their restoration methods show pretty much this?

The methods for printing a dial don’t change if the dial is old, so yes it’s the same process.

Not sure I’ve seen a video of it, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they had one.
 
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The Omega factory does not refinish dials or make dials. All outsourced. I had 2 dials done in Biel in the 90's ; had to send both back because of lousy work. Not a good option then. If they have your dial and exchange it, perfect. If not, i'd not ask them to refinish it. Kind regards. Achim
At least they would know how to spell the words on the dial, right? Still SMH on that one. Of the five posted by the OP here, only the fifth one looks good enough to have spent real money for, even to my ignorant eye. That post may be the most convincing argument against paying for a redial that I have ever seen here.
 
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That post may be the most convincing argument against paying for a redial that I have ever seen here.
I agree. If it doesn't come from the factory or you have a redial so horrendous it doesn't matter, stick with what you have and see if you can find a NOS dial on eBay!
 
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Very useful thanks for posting!

Curious if you had considered getting an “dirty” dial and cleaning It up instead of redialing?
 
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Very useful thanks for posting!

Curious if you had considered getting an “dirty” dial and cleaning It up instead of redialing?
That rarely ends well, a "master watchmaker" commenting otherwise. It is entirely dependent on how the dial was made and how it has deteriorated.
 
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Archer is correct with his comments. I recall paying about $250 for each dial, excluding shipping. The steel chronograph dial was $350 and the yellow gold chronograph dial was part of a full restoration job by Omega back in 2004 at $1,200.

If I’m understanding correctly, OMEGA’s $1200 job was the one without the “Swiss Made” signature?

If so, what was their explanation for omitting “Swiss Made”?
 
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Morning !
You sure have shown persistence in your quest for a perfect redial job ! I understand that at the end you are not really happy with these attempts ... BUT it is such an interesting thread !! Thank you very much !
 
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I got this done by Omega this year. I really like the way it came back. Before and after.
 
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I got this done by Omega this year. I really like the way it came back. Before and after.
That's a beautiful new dial, even if it isn't absolutely identical to the original. But it seems like there is some luck involved with Omega's service, and no guarantee you'll like the results. Still, congrats on that one.
 
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Very useful thanks for posting!

Curious if you had considered getting an “dirty” dial and cleaning It up instead of redialing?

First of all, thanks to the OP, that’s really interesting - a couple hundred €/$ for a dial that doesn’t look identical is quite a price. But, as a few members here already mentioned, probably not a relevant disadvantage for many people out there.

If I may come back to the topic redial vs dial cleaning - I‘ve wondered how well the latter actually works. Having recently acquired a ref 2748 Genève (the 36mm version, that is) because they are hardly available and the price was right, even for the condition the structured dial is in, I was wondering if cleaning the outer circle of the dial was a possibility. I wouldn’t wanna touch the inner part with the writing, I think, and I don’t mind the patina/damage there, but the dark spots around 11 and 2 I could do without. Redialing it wouldn’t be an option.



If anybody has experience with this kind of work I’d be grateful to hear about it. Also, hope it’s ok to use this thread for this question - I felt it kind of fit in, but I don’t wanna „highjack“ it. I’d be happy to open a new thread, if that’s preferred.

Thanks a lot!
 
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Great thread.
 
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Omega may charge a high fee but their dial restoration is nearly flawless, provided your watch wasn't bent or severely scratched. They charge a premium but there won't be any complaints after they're done.
 
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I got this done by Omega this year. I really like the way it came back. Before and after.

They should have used the same font for "Seamaster"...
 
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As I live in Northern California, and am currently trapped inside my house for the past several days because of the raging fires and the ton of smoke that is in the air, I am left with no recourse other than to post a bunch on this forum - but maybe I can help a few members out by advising to

"only refinish a dial if you want to take a big risk".

It took me several tries, using different dial refinishers, and much experimentation to only achieve marginal results at best. Finally, I would see the folly of a refinished dial. In the end, nothing beats an original dial, even if it has some flaws/patina or is imperfect. Here is a compendium of my direct experience. I will only show the refinished dial results.

1st example, a 1957 Connie. A decent job from a US-based dial refinisher, but the cross-hairs are a no-go and chronometre was spelled wrong.



2nd example, I found a beautiful 18k bumper chronometre that had an excellent case and a great movement. The dial was very poor, so I sent it off to a Germany-based dial refinisher. Here is the result. Not bad, but printing is too thick.



OK, let's try this again. Found a really nice 18k rose gold Cal. 30.10 automatic. One more time, maybe it will turn out good . . .



Ah-ha, finally a decent result. But don't look too close - you will see the flaws.
Tried two more and they turned out just OK - this 1943 chronograph



This was the best refinish job ever



Missing "Swiss Made" on the bottom of the dial left me wanting and I let it go - even though a really nice 18k yellow gold case with a Cal. 321.

Overall, a good experience for me and lots of $$ spent though. At this point, I stopped doing projects (buying sub-par examples and then spend time and money trying to improve them) and just focused on buying the best all-original examples I could find. Yes, I had to pay more for them, but you know what they say . . .

The best advice I can offer, is to always try to find a nice example with an original dial. You can go from one extreme to another in terms of price. There are still many nice examples out there for under $1,000, or even $500 - you just have to be patient.

Look at this mid-1950's Seamaster Calendar I purchased a few years ago for about $400. It's not perfect, the case has a few dings, BUT - the dial is original. Yes it has some age, but I think it also gives it some character.


I may have some controversial thoughts on dial refinishing. First, I'd like to say that none of my vintage pieces have refinished dials. However, if you are not a collector, and intend to wear your watch, I have no issues with refinishing a dial, especially if it has gone past the point of having "patina." There are so many people who are new to collecting who pass off a watch as having "patina" when, in reality, it is completely illegible and has suffered major damage. To reiterate, these are damaged dials, not "patina'd." If one were to sell their refinished dial later on, obviously it would be imperative to describe the watch accurately to the potential new buyer.

This being said, I do agree if you are a collector who is looking for an OG, completely untouched example, don't refinish your dial. But I think these types are also the people who will search for a good example and won't make an impulsive decision to buy a watch with a damaged OR refinished dial. Personally, I'm somewhere in the middle; I have a 2451-7 321 which has patina'd into a beautiful, cream colored dial. But again, this watch clearly has patina and not damage (for the most part, obviously ~70 year old watches are going to have their flaws).