All about Connie- prices, orginality.....

skand · Jan 16, 2022

ConElPueblo
You must consider what drives prices (specific cosmetic characteristics rather than technical specifications, for instance) and that for some items it is NOT who we would classify as collectors who are the price drivers; the Seamaster DeVille is one such example where a 1960s item is more sought after by new or inexperienced collectors than "true" collectors which is why that a relatively boring (there, I said it) reference is fairly expensive if in decent condition.

Thanks, it was for learning such viewpoints with examples that I came here. I agree, I find almost all 3-handed Seamasters from the 60's boring.

hoipolloi · Jan 16, 2022

skand
The purpose of starting this thread was not strictly to price the individual pieces. Where else but in the Omega forum can I get the point of view of other collectors. I don't see why I shouldn't have an opinion

Ok, let's go back to your watch. A 14k yellow gold capped ( head only) with that dial can be sold at 2000 usd a bit more or less.
Your gold case has personalization on back that reduced the value somewhat.
I would say the total value of your watch is around 3000 to 3500 usd.(head only)
I don't think your bracelet is Omega original and if you need to know more about it, just start another thread.
Enjoy your time here.
Regards.

ConElPueblo · Jan 16, 2022

hoipolloi
Ok, let's go back to your watch. A 14k yellow gold capped ( head only) with that dial can be sold at 2000 usd a bit more or less.

Did you mean to write solid gold?

I agree about the bracelet; it looks like a generic bracelet, though a nice one at that. It probably has a value of melt value + a small premium (if you can find the right buyer...).

skand
The purpose of starting this thread was not strictly to price the individual pieces. Where else but in the Omega forum can I get the point of view of other collectors. I don't see why I shouldn't have an opinion

But you keep on posting individual pieces? 😕

As I wrote, there are different selling conditions for these watches and the best you could hope for is get to know what one of us would pay for it and that is hardly the full picture. Even if someone says that he would expect to be able to sell it at $X, that figure only makes sense from his perspective; it is far from certain that you could sell it at that price.

For instance, imagine that I told you that I would value your Constellation at $2,500 and then Omega Enthusiast says that he thinks it should be valued at $5,000 - that does not mean that you would be able to sell it at $5,000! Hell, it doesn't even mean that you'd be able to sell it at my quoted valuation!

This is why these discussions are ridden with caveats and exceptions and are ultimately rather futile.

skand · Jan 16, 2022

Once again, price is irrelevant to me in this case, as I have no intention of selling any piece. I wanted to discuss what influences the attractiveness and I will draw some conclusions from what each of you has written. Thanks

Caliber561 · Jan 16, 2022

If the goal of this thread was to try and track down prices for Constellations and draw some sort of correlation with originality, probably the only way for us to do that, as some have pointed to, would be to make a record of recent sales. Rather than just posting watches from one's personal collection, we'll have some hard data points to work with, and it also avoids the involvement of one's feelings around their acquisitions.

Personally, my estimation was slightly characterized by the fact that I didn't consider the dial of the model to be particularly interesting relative to others, and I didn't really care for the bracelet. I didn't intend to tarnish the perception of value, and it would appear that there are members here who would be more than happy to purchase the first watch at $3k+.

One of my reference points was from last year, where I saw a nearly identical gold Constellation (full B&P) get sold around $2k to a flipper, languish around $3k, and then get sold via 'best offer' before reappearing on the Omega Enthusiast's site, where it sold for $5k. With the relatively low volume of Constellation transactions, the spread for what people are willing to pay is going to be quite wide. While I find 14900/2s more attractive than their 167/168 counterparts, Onyx indexes over rubber, decorated 561 instead of 564, etc. with the spread, there's functionally no observable premium in the market among 'similar' Constellations, even if you or I personally shell out more for any particular traits.

However, that's just my 2¢.

ConElPueblo · Jan 16, 2022

Caliber561
One of my reference points was from last year, where I saw a nearly identical gold Constellation (full B&P) get sold around $2k to a flipper, languish around $3k, and then get sold via 'best offer' before reappearing on the Omega Enthusiast's site, where it sold for $5k. With the relatively low volume of Constellation transactions, the spread for what people are willing to pay is going to be quite wide. While I find 14900/2s more attractive than their 167/168 counterparts, Onyx indexes over rubber, decorated 561 instead of 564, etc. with the spread, there's functionally no observable premium in the market among 'similar' Constellations, even if you or I personally shell out more for any particular traits.

Two good examples of what I tried to flesh out previously. The actual watch and the "objective" qualities of it is only part of what makes up the value.

MSNWatch · Jan 16, 2022

padders
With respect, this is nonsense and not born out by the facts. Rare or early does't always equal more valuable.

So true. Ref. 2648 among connies bears this out - a real travesty IMO.

gatorcpa · Jan 16, 2022

MSNWatch
So true. Ref. 2648 among connies bears this out - a real travesty IMO.

And let us not forget the US-only Globemasters, which were in all respects identical to Constellations, right down to the case references. Here is a Ref. 2648.

I think the current market value on the Globemasters are slightly less than the equivalent Constellations and there are far less of them. Collectors value that name on the dial.

The only rule that governs here is supply and demand.
gatorcpa

skand · Jan 17, 2022

gatorcpa
And let us not forget the US-only Globemasters, which were in all respects identical to Constellations, right down to the case references. Here is a Ref. 2648.

I think the current market value on the Globemasters are slightly less than the equivalent Constellations and there are far less of them. Collectors value that name on the dial.

The only rule that governs here is supply and demand.
gatorcpa

The Globemaster is not easy to find in Europe, I would love to buy one. I have Centenary 2500, 2517 plank dial, Connie 2648 and only Globemaster is missing

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All about Connie- prices, orginality.....

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ConElPueblo

MSNWatch

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skand

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