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Dan S
·Looks legit.
Advice on a pair of Zenith 156 gold chronographs
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Oku
·Thanks !
Of course:
- the 45 and 15 on the sides are "cutted";
- the word BASE is a little blurry (also not sure if it should be on this model);
- the two buttons are in different color than the rest of the case;
- there's the "swiss made" under the 6 and I don't know if it should be on this model (I read somewhere on he forum that it shouldn' be there);
Perhaps you'll spot yet other details.....
Cutted 15 and 45 is not bad. It usually depends on the size of the watch. I would be more concerned if they were not cutted but printed into the subdials.
Base is blurry due to the distortionof the crystal.
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DSOTM
·Thanks !
- there's the "swiss made" under the 6 and I don't know if it should be on this model (I read somewhere on he forum that it shouldn' be there);
Perhaps you'll spot yet other details.....
The more I read about these vintage Zenith chronographs, the more they drive me nuts.
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georgeszaslavsky
·Very informative thread that is good to know
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Graf
·Thanks to all of you for your kind help ! How about the butons which are in yellow gold from what I see, unlike the rest of the case?
I am also wondering if the price of 1,8K is reasonable given it’s state and especially compared to this one https://www.chrono24.fr/zenith/chronograph-chrono-crono-gold-oro-36-vintage--id8933700.htm
that was also discussed and validated in a forum here, if I’m not mistaken?
https://omegaforums.net/threads/vintage-156hp-help.90953/#post-1177597
That’s the thread and @CaptainWinsor helped a lot.
Basically which one from both would you recommend for a buy?
I am also wondering if the price of 1,8K is reasonable given it’s state and especially compared to this one https://www.chrono24.fr/zenith/chronograph-chrono-crono-gold-oro-36-vintage--id8933700.htm
that was also discussed and validated in a forum here, if I’m not mistaken?
https://omegaforums.net/threads/vintage-156hp-help.90953/#post-1177597
That’s the thread and @CaptainWinsor helped a lot.
Basically which one from both would you recommend for a buy?
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DSOTM
·You read that 2 posts above yours, and I find this an interesting point. I feel that 50/50 of the Cal.156 that you see do/do not have it on the dial. Both this one here on the forum and this one at Vintagecaliber do have "swiss made" on the dial, both seem like pretty reputable sellers. @vujen and @bigsom could you elaborate?
The more I read about these vintage Zenith chronographs, the more they drive me nuts.
Apparenty there are 2 generations of the Cal.156, the early ref.19518 and the later reference-less cal.156.
The 19518 does NOT have "swiss made" on the dial whereas the later version DOES have it on the dial.
Both watches that I link to in my previous post appear to be the latter and thus correct.
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Graf
·Thanks, that’s great to know !
I’m also wondering if it could be rust at 1 o’clock on this photo, which would mean the case is not gold....
And the color of the case is kind of strange don’t you think?
I’m also wondering if it could be rust at 1 o’clock on this photo, which would mean the case is not gold....
And the color of the case is kind of strange don’t you think?
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STANDY
··schizophrenic pizza orderer and watch collectorThanks, that’s great to know !
I’m also wondering if it could be rust at 1 o’clock on this photo, which would mean the case is not gold....
And the color of the case is kind of strange don’t you think?
Rusted screw, you can see the one on the opposite side 7 o’clock starting to rust.
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Graf
·Thanks! So overall verdict?
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Oku
·Thanks! So overall verdict?
The French one has a more battered dial, pushers with wrong gold color with one which has lost its plating. Unless you can inspect it personally, I would not recommed to buy it.
Why don't you ask @bigsom if his Zenith is still for sale?
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DSOTM
·The Italian one has rust in the movement but the dial looks very clean with some suspicious parts. I would pass.
The French one has a more battered dial, pushers with wrong gold color with one which has lost its plating. Unless you can inspect it personally, I would not recommed to buy it.
Why don't you ask @bigsom if his Zenith is still for sale?
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Oku
·Furthermore, I believe that the Italian one has the wrong chrono seconds hand, but no expert here.
Concerning color: Either seconds hand and subdial hands blued or gold.
Compare:
https://omegaforums.net/threads/196...hronograph-caliber-156d-reduced-to-2100.81500
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bigsom
·Hey guys! Mine is since gone! Unfortunately I'm not really an expert on these.
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·Why do you think so? Because it is not blued? Or anything else that I miss?
Concerning color: Either seconds hand and subdial hands blued or gold.
Compare:
https://omegaforums.net/threads/196...hronograph-caliber-156d-reduced-to-2100.81500
However, referring to @LouS ' post in this thread, I was thinking this specific watch is a ref.19518 given the "Base" and no "swiss made" on the dial, and thus it needed a blue hand.
But it appears that would also require an applied "Zenith" (and star!). Furthermore, the case back is reference-less, all indicating the later generation (reference-less- for which the gold hand would be appropriate after all.
Unless there is some sort of "transitional model" that I am unaware of, that specific watch seems to be a combination of both. But again, I am no expert and just trying to learn as much as I can about these 156s from the information spread across this forum.
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Graf
·Thanks a lot to all of you gents for your time !
I’ll than pass on those and wait for something better.
Please let me know if you come across a nice Chrono 146/156....
And finally, how about the medics version, do you find it ok?
https://www.chrono24.fr/zenith/chronograph---vintage---medical--id9848692.htm
I’ll than pass on those and wait for something better.
Please let me know if you come across a nice Chrono 146/156....
And finally, how about the medics version, do you find it ok?
https://www.chrono24.fr/zenith/chronograph---vintage---medical--id9848692.htm
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Oku
·And finally, how about the medics version, do you find it ok?
https://www.chrono24.fr/zenith/chronograph---vintage---medical--id9848692.htm
Pusher are worn.
And imho the hands are mismatched. Minute and hour hand have onyx inlay, seconds hand does not as well as the indices.
Compare: https://www.chrono24.fr/zenith/chronograph-vintage-60er-top-zustand-cal-146-d--id10400481.htm
This one is expensive, but in great shape:
https://www.chrono24.fr/zenith/chronograph-vintage-60er-jahre-verschraubtes-gehaeuse--id10396919.htm
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Graf
·Thanks for the advice @Oku @DSOTM and everyone, your experience and sharp eyes are incredibly helpful !
it looks very hard to find a piece not messed-up...
Those two look fantastic, but well above my budget for this buy. I was hoping to find something decent (even if not perfect but authentic) for around 2K €/£/$.
it looks very hard to find a piece not messed-up...
Those two look fantastic, but well above my budget for this buy. I was hoping to find something decent (even if not perfect but authentic) for around 2K €/£/$.
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Oku
·Thanks for the advice @Oku @DSOTM and everyone, your experience and sharp eyes are incredibly helpful !
it looks very hard to find a piece not messed-up...
Those two look fantastic, but well above my budget for this buy. I was hoping to find something decent (even if not perfect but authentic) for around 2K €/£/$.
You just need to be a bit patient and constantly check the common ressources. These references regularly pop up.
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