Adolf Brandle's BA145.022-69 for sale

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They paid a lot of money for that COA, $800 or so from memory to be told the watch is in effect a Franken or at least not as it left the factory. Ouch!

I wonder if they went down the COA route when an initial extract request was refused as the serial doesn’t match the watch.
 
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They paid a lot of money for that COA, $800 or so from memory to be told the watch is in effect a Franken or at least not as it left the factory. Ouch!

I wonder if they went down the COA route when an initial extract request was refused as the serial doesn’t match the watch.
Maybe, but they are still asking CHF 55,000 for this unoriginal watch.
 
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Maybe, but they are still asking CHF 55,000 for this unoriginal watch.

Wait, it has got a Certificate of Authenticity, it’s original now 😀

Edit for @Foo2rama : [/SARCASM] 😉
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a certificate of Authenticity stating it’s not actually really authentic...
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a certificate of Authenticity stagings it’s not actually really authentic...

Of course, it’s not…
 
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They could have gotten the same information with an extract rejection at much lower cost.
 
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They could have gotten the same information with an extract rejection at much lower cost.
They probably did. Which may be why they spring for the COA.
 
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They could have gotten the same information with an extract rejection at much lower cost.
But how would they be able to add a piece of paper to the auction stating it isn’t authentic! Think of the value added here 😗

OUCH...
 
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But how would they be able to add a piece of paper to the auction stating it isn’t authentic! Think of the value added here 😗

OUCH...
Some people are impressed with a document in a nice folder, they might gloss over the fact that the movement is not original. Or just don't care.
 
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Some people are impressed with a document in a nice folder, they might gloss over the fact that the movement is not original. Or just don't care.

At this price level and the kind of buyers who would be interested the watch has more value without than with this document.
 
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Some people are impressed with a document in a nice folder, they might gloss over the fact that the movement is not original. Or just don't care.
I’d not kick a BA out of bed if it had the wrong movement and was at a decent price.
 
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Isn't the bigger problem here the fact that we didn't really ever go to the moon, let alone "on time"? 😕
 
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Anyone else think the wording of the COA is worth discussion? They say the movement has been ‘exchanged for a version which predates the moon landing’. How very flowery! What does that mean exactly? The watch was produced before July 1969 so the moon landing is irrelevant. Is this just a sugar coated way of admitting the current movement is from a Seamaster or whatever or are they trying to make some other point like “yes it’s been swapped but at least its a very early 861”

I wonder how much input the current owner had into the wording. It’s does sound like they are massaging the truth rather.
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Anyone else think the wording of the COA is worth discussion? They say the movement has been ‘exchanged for a version which predates the moon landing’. How very flowery! What does that mean exactly? The watch was produced before July 1969 so the moon landing is irrelevant. Is this just a sugar coated way of admitting the current movement is from a Seamaster or whatever or are they trying to make some other point like “yes it’s been swapped but at least its a very early 861”

I wonder how much input the current owner had into the wording. It’s does sound like they are massaging the truth rather.

Indeed a little misleading. I am sure the current movement was produced in march 69, so prior the moon landing. Without any doubt the watch itself was produced (or assembled) after July 69, earliest production date for a BA145022 is afaik Oktober 69. Omega decided to celebrate the moon landing with the BA145.022, so the watch cannot have been produced before.

PS: unfortunately we we still don't know who Adolf Brandle was, neither in what kind he was connected to Omega or the moon landing
 
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The EoA would have said the watch was a later Speedmaster, which would have been no good for the seller, and would have told him/ her nothing about the BA. The CoA says the watch is legit, except for the movement. So I would think that as a seller you would either offer up nothing, or it may be worthwhile springing for a CoA; and if you offer nothing, it could bite you if the buyer then orders an EoA.

No doubt the seller wants to maximize the selling price, but offering the EoA would provide a lot less info to potential buyers than the CoA. Is this underhanded? Maybe, in that they gloss over the fact it is not the correct movement, but the info is all there. I honestly hope it does not sell for anywhere near the asking price, but no one who buys this can claim ignorance.
 
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As one of the first series of 1969 Gold Apollo tribute Speedmasters, I believe there should be a number on the caseback 😕
 
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The wording of the CoA is very neutral. All it says is that this is an authentic Omega watch, made with authentic parts. They do reference the fact that it has a movement produced with an earlier number than expected for the gold tribute watches, but in a very legalese way. There is nothing in the CoA that links it to the other tribute watches. IMHO the wording is designed to protect Omega from making any assertion as to whether or not the watch belongs to the tribute series. Authentic is not the same as original. You could get the same wording by sending in a put together watchCo watch that had an appropriate seamaster movement. It too is authentic, as long as all the parts are genuine Omega.
 
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Is the rule of thumb still that an oval O indicates an early watch? If so, this watch has a later dial despite the COA stating this is a "first batch" watch as @Cad290 alluded to back in October.