A question of Conquest Crown

Andsan · Jan 12, 2015

On my Conquest of 1960, model 9026 1 has the crown that is so sought after. Ulackfocus have the same crown on his 9025 2. They are both made in 1960. On my gold Conquest 9025 7, made in 1961 does not have not this crown.
Is it replaced or did Longines swapped the crown in 1961 for the model I have. The Conquest from the link from catalog from 1962, 9027 has a similar crown that I have on my gold Conquest.
http://orologi.forumfree.it/?t=40536047
What do you think, did they changed the Crown in 1961 or is my crown replaced ?

My 1960 modell 9026.

My 1961 gold Conquest 1961 9025 7.

Thanks in advance

/Anders

Hijak · Jan 12, 2015

Can't answer your question, however must comment on these beautiful watches!🥰 Just fantastic!😎

Andsan · Jan 12, 2015

Oops. I posted in the wrong forum.
Now it is transferred to the Longines.

Sorry

Anders

ulackfocus · Jan 12, 2015

As far as I know, if the date is at 12 on a caliber 291, it should have the scalloped crown and the serial should date the movement to 1960. The known exception is the earlier models like LouS has...... but never say never as the date switched from the 12:00 position to the 3:00 position in 1961 and the crown switched with it (I think) so who knows for sure if your gold dialed 9025 should have the scalloped crown or not? If yours is a very early 1961 model it could be a transition type situation. I'd still wager it orignally came with the scalloped crown because that's what the odds favor.

khmt2 · Jan 12, 2015

My gold capped 9026 4 caliber 291 with date@12 is dated to 1962, based on the serial number. The crown is non scalloped and different from the examples above - i suspect it's a service or replacement (and hopefully not fake!) as its got a more yellowish tone compared to the case.

MMMD · Jan 13, 2015

Andsan
...What do you think, did they changed the Crown in 1961 or is my crown replaced ?

...My 1961 gold Conquest 1961 9025 7.

I would say that a catalog printed in 1962 might well contain images of watches produced in 1961. I guess there's no way to know for sure, but if I had your watch, this catalog image would make me smile.

Andsan · Jan 13, 2015

MMMD
I would say that a catalog printed in 1962 might well contain images of watches produced in 1961. I guess there's no way to know for sure, but if I had your watch, this catalog image would make me smile.

Thanks

I have today sent a request to Longines to clear this up. It is interesting to see an picture of a 9027 from a catalog from 1962 has a crown similar to mine. The question is what year they changed the crown on the Conquest gold. Was it 61 model year? I hope it was. I'll have an answer soon from Longines, I guess.

Best
Anders

Andsan · Jan 13, 2015

khmt2
My gold capped 9026 4 caliber 291 with date@12 is dated to 1962, based on the serial number. The crown is non scalloped and different from the examples above - i suspect it's a service or replacement (and hopefully not fake!) as its got a more yellowish tone compared to the case.

It was a nice Longines you have.
Do you know what the fifth digit in the model number 9026 4 means, what it stands for? My has 9026 1. Number 1.
Your watch has probably another Crown, not original. Your watch looks to be a rosegold but the crown is more yellow.
You can certainly find a rose gold crown out there, if you like to change.

Best

Anders

ulackfocus · Jan 13, 2015

Andsan
Was it 61 model year? I hope it was. I'll have an answer soon from Longines, I guess.

Yes, it was - and let us know if Longines confirms this.

Andsan
Do you know what the fifth digit in the model number 9026 4 means, what it stands for? My has 9026 1. Number 1.

That 5th digit is the iteration number of the case. There might be small changes in the shape / design each time that number goes up, there might not be.

Andsan · Jan 13, 2015

U ulackfocus
As far as I know, if the date is at 12 on a caliber 291, it should have the scalloped crown and the serial should date the movement to 1960. The known exception is the earlier models like LouS has...... but never say never as the date switched from the 12:00 position to the 3:00 position in 1961 and the crown switched with it (I think) so who knows for sure if your gold dialed 9025 should have the scalloped crown or not? If yours is a very early 1961 model it could be a transition type situation. I'd still wager it orignally came with the scalloped crown because that's what the odds favor.

Hi Dennis

Now I have sent the question to Longines and hope they give us valuable information.

Best

Anders

khmt2 · Jan 13, 2015

Andsan
It was a nice Longines you have.
Do you know what the fifth digit in the model number 9026 4 means, what it stands for? My has 9026 1. Number 1.
Your watch has probably another Crown, not original. Your watch looks to be a rosegold but the crown is more yellow.
You can certainly find a rose gold crown out there, if you like to change.

Best

Anders

The fifth digit could be indicating the type of configuration the watch was sold with, but it's just my guess. E.g., I come across the same model with with different straps (metal vs leather) for different 5th digits.

Would appreciate if you could point me to where I could get suitable rose gold crown - looking at those on ebay, I'm not certain why ones are indeed the right replacement! 😵‍💫

Andsan
Thanks

I have today sent a request to Longines to clear this up. It is interesting to see an picture of a 9027 from a catalog from 1962 has a crown similar to mine. The question is what year they changed the crown on the Conquest gold. Was it 61 model year? I hope it was. I'll have an answer soon from Longines, I guess.

Best
Anders

Do keep us updated on what Longines says!

ulackfocus · Jan 13, 2015

I'd like to hear it from them also - all I have is the information gleaned from the several dozen Conquests I've seen.

Yours is a strange situation, especially since the color of the crown matches the case so well.

ulackfocus · Jan 13, 2015

khmt2
The fifth digit could be indicating the type of bracelet the watch was sold with, but it's just my guess.

Answered in the post just above yours:

U ulackfocus
That 5th digit is the iteration number of the case. There might be small changes in the shape / design each time that number goes up, there might not be.

khmt2 · Jan 13, 2015

U ulackfocus
Answered in the post just above yours:

Touche!

Andsan · Jan 15, 2015

I'm not really satisfied with the answer.
Should perhaps send a picture of a scolleped crown.
What do you Think?

Longines Conquest 1961. 291. 18 k gold

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Our answer
Dear Mr ...
Thank you for your message and the information provided.
For your information, the scalloped crowns have been used on Conquest watches with the references 9001 to 9011, from 1954 to 1957. These watches were fitted with the mechanical self-winding movement, 19AS. Then, when the movement changed for the 290/291, the crowns also changed for a normal shape. This was around 1959.
This is why the references 9025, 9026 or 9027 for exemple do not have scalloped crowns.
We hope this information will be of help to you and remain at your entire disposal for any further information you may need.
Best regards,
Jennifer Bochud
Brand Heritage

Compagnie des Montres Longines Francillon SA
CH-2610 Saint-Imier, Switzerland
Phone +41 32 942 54 06 - Fax +41 32 942 52 39
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Your question
Hello again, now I need your help.
My watch has a crown that does not have a form of scalloped.
It has the same shape as the Conquest Gold 9027 from 1962.
What year shifted Longines crown from the scalloped shape to the "regular" crown on the Conquest Gold 9025/9027?
Does my Longines Conquest 9025 7 got the right Crown?
Many Conquest of 1960 has scalloped crown.
It would be very nice if I could get answers
Best regards
Anders

ulackfocus · Jan 15, 2015

I think it might be a problem with terminology. What Jennifer at Longines says is "scalloped" is the crown that has what looks like a picket fence with rounded off tops wrapped around the side.

You should let her see a picture of what we call a scalloped crown. The Conquest and Conquest Power Reserves with the date-at-12 feature had that crown from very late 1959 to very early 1961.

Andsan · Jan 15, 2015

I sent her the link, so now she can see the pictures and I think the answer will be different.

Andsan · Jan 16, 2015

Now we maybe approach the solution.
But, we have to wait until after the weekend

HAGWE

Anders

Our answer
Dear Mr X
Thank you for your message and for the pictures that I have seen on the Omega Forum.
I am actually making deepest researches but in the meantime, may I kindly ask you the serial number of your Conquest 9025 ? As I have seen, you already asked me about the following serial numbers :
11'429'157 - ref 9026 - 291
11'613'554 - ref 9027 - 291
10'425'071 - ref 9001 - 19AS
Thanking you in advance and waiting for your reply, I remain at your entire disposal for any additional information you may require.

Sincerely yours,
Jennifer Bochud
Brand Heritage

Compagnie des Montres Longines Francillon SA
CH-2610 Saint-Imier, Switzerland
Phone +41 32 942 54 06 - Fax +41 32 942 52 39
Join us on Facebook, Twitter, YouTube

Your question
Hi Jennifer.
I do not know if you misunderstood how a scalloped crown looks.
Enclose a link where I ask about the crown of my gold Conquest is original. These scalloped crowns was not on the AS models, I'm sure.
http://omegaforums.net/threads/a-question-of-conquest-crown.20390/

Best regards

Anders

Mothra · Jan 16, 2015

Longines have such a great heritage approach. Maybe we can convince Ms Bochud or team to join - I'm sure it would be beneficial both ways...

Andsan · Jan 28, 2015

We will soon receive a response from Jennifer😀

Anders
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Dear Mr. x
Thank you for your message and for coming back to me about the Conquest crowns.
I have to apologize for the delay of replying as the research is more complex than expected and as I have been sick last week. I will take some time tomorrow in order to regroup what I found and to send you a correct detailed answer.
Thanking you for your patience, I remain at your entire disposal for any additional information you may have.
Best regards,

Jennifer Bochud
Museum Curator

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