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A 105.003-65 SP?

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as an avid collector of 105.003 i have been offered what is described as 1 of only 3 in existence late 1968 105.003 SP. i am waiting for some better pictures but the case back looks like a standard 105.003 caseback and stamped SP.. Yet on the EOA there is no mention of this.

I know the pictures are bad but hopefully you can see the SP looks like it has been added afterwards.

Does anyone have a 145.003 SP with EOA and if so does it mention this SP , water protection upgrade
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I saw this one on eBay too. They are asking £15,000, that's $20,000 and is super overpriced in my opinion. For that money I'd want an unpolished case and nicer dial. "SP" inside the caseback adds no value to me, you won't even see it.
 
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I saw this one on eBay too. They are asking £15,000, that's $20,000 and is super overpriced in my opinion. For that money I'd want an unpolished case and nicer dial. "SP" inside the caseback adds no value to me, you won't even see it.
Its 13,500 on their website. But no offers.

I said exactly the same to them and the pushers was in their opinion the big deal and made it 1 of only 3 ever made. ( yeah right)
 
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as an avid collector of 105.003 i have been offered what is described as 1 of only 3 in existence late 1968 105.003 SP. i am waiting for some better pictures but the case back looks like a standard 105.003 caseback and stamped SP.. Yet on the EOA there is no mention of this.

I know the pictures are bad but hopefully you can see the SP looks like it has been added afterwards.

Does anyone have a 145.003 SP with EOA and if so does it mention this SP , water protection upgrade
s-l140.webp s-l1600.webp
All of the 003 SP watches I have seen have had upgraded pushers and the fat tail chronograph hand which is not a coincidence.
 
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All of the 003 SP watches I have seen have had upgraded pushers and the fat tail chronograph hand which is not a coincidence.
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All of the 003 SP watches I have seen have had upgraded pushers and the fat tail chronograph hand which is not a coincidence.
The parts they would have gotten in service?
 
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The parts they would have gotten in service?

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The parts they would have gotten in service?
That is the million dollar question 👍
I think they would have just changed the parts at service without the need to stamp SP.
I am thinking these were made at the factory with increased water resistance and marked as such at point of manufacture.
 
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That is the million dollar question 👍
I think they would have just changed the parts at service without the need to stamp SP.
I am thinking these were made at the factory with increased water resistance and marked as such at point of manufacture.
According to dealer selling the watch it is one of only 3 in existence, whilst i concede this is a factory spec change i doubt there is any substance to the claim.of 1 of only 3 ever made
 
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Here is what I am hoping.
145.003 10501-add9f0e56dafc9b0f47a3a7191f7acb2.jpg Credit to @SpikiSpikester for the above photo.

And @Spacefruit for this>
SP = speciale poussoirs

"Special pushers"

Upgraded for better water resistance
Do you happen to have a copy of that you could send me?
 
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According to dealer selling the watch it is one of only 3 in existence, whilst i concede this is a factory spec change i doubt there is any substance to the claim.of 1 of only 3 ever made
factory spec change on watches with hugely different serial numbers?

That is not how that works....
 
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That is the million dollar question 👍
I think they would have just changed the parts at service without the need to stamp SP.
I am thinking these were made at the factory with increased water resistance and marked as such at point of manufacture.

Disagree, they would have stamped it to show the upgraded parts for the next repair. Hence why all of them are stamped later and not at the time of mfg of the case.
 
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factory spec change on watches with hugely different serial numbers?

That is not how that works....
Without the other 2 watch seriel number its impossible to sag hugely different serial numbers
 
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Disagree, they would have stamped it to show the upgraded parts for the next repair. Hence why all of them are stamped later and not at the time of mfg of the case.
Why do they all have the fat tail chronograph hand then? They all seem to be later produced 003s too. Do you also believe twisted lug SP watches were marked as such after Omega service or at point of manufacture?
 
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According to dealer selling the watch it is one of only 3 in existence, whilst i concede this is a factory spec change i doubt there is any substance to the claim.of 1 of only 3 ever made
 
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According to dealer selling the watch it is one of only 3 in existence, whilst i concede this is a factory spec change i doubt there is any substance to the claim.of 1 of only 3 ever made
That statement is yet to be confirmed, I would have thought over the years more would have cropped up so nobody can say it is correct or incorrect as yet can they?
The best bit is nobody really knows 100%, we can have discussions, ideas or theories but when you believe you know the answer without a time machine I think it takes away the excitement, joy and discussion.
Nobody is an expert when it comes to watches, that is the only truth everyone should know. I have seen “experts” proven wrong, but they never come back and admit it, they take themselves far to seriously for that.
Omega themselves, the manufacturer does not know the full history of their own products either.
 
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M'Bob M'Bob
Just to add to the fun:

My 105.003-65, 2544XXXX

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That statement is yet to be confirmed, I would have thought over the years more would have cropped up so nobody can say it is correct or incorrect as yet can they?
The best bit is nobody really knows 100%, we can have discussions, ideas or theories but when you believe you know the answer without a time machine I think it takes away the excitement, joy and discussion.
Nobody is an expert when it comes to watches, that is the only truth everyone should know. I have seen “experts” proven wrong, but they never come back and admit it, they take themselves far to seriously for that.
Omega themselves, the manufacturer does not know the full history of their own products either.
Well only one more too find and we have located the only three in the world 😁
 
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Just to add to the fun:

My 105.003-65, 2544XXXX

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But in all seriousness, it also has the SP stamped rather than engraved .

Dou you have EOA ? If so is the special waterproofing detailed?
 
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But in all seriousness, it also has the SP stamped rather than engraved .

Dou you have EOA ? If so is the special waterproofing detailed?
Unfortunately, I don’t have that. But, the original papers do list it as ref. 145.003, to add to the confusion.
 
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Question: are the “SP” pushers on a 105.003 easily identifiable as such compared to the standard pushers?
 
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Question: are the “SP” pushers on a 105.003 easily identifiable as such compared to the standard pushers?
I would say so, yes. The pusher caps look bigger, not as nicely proportioned against the straight lug case like the standard pushers are.
 
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I would say so, yes. The pusher caps look bigger, not as nicely proportioned against the straight lug case like the standard pushers are.
You are correct: side by side comparison of the two, the SP being noticeably larger.

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