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60s Deville, real or fake

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Hi,

I was hoping for some opinions. I was looking for a mid size boys for my wife. Seen this but some stuff adds up & doesnt add up. Is it real or not....? Seller is selling as mens full size, which I dont think it is.

So I think its a mid size, 67x cals wer used on boys & ladies. 55x wer used on mens.

Size wise the ladies was 29.5mm, boys 32mm & mens 34.5 without crowns. But the sell lists as 33mm? 18 Strap looks really tight at the lugs.

The back of the dial looks to have been ground down at the indices?

I think the watch is 1963ish or franken?
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Any opinions or advise welcome.

Many thanks

Dave
 
dsio
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Very much real but its a mid-sized 32 mm case rather than the more typical 34.5 mm size for De Villes
 
Dan S
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You can see the reference 165.004 inside the case-back. With that reference number, you can find a lot of information using Google.
 
D
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Thanks guys, I appreciate the help.

Can I ask..... why would the indices look ground down on the rear? Would somebody remove them, polish them & solder back on?

Its in such good condition, I was thinking redial. But I think the dial is at the very least partly original?
 
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D Davro1
Thanks guys, I appreciate the help.

Can I ask..... why would the indices look ground down on the rear? Would somebody remove them, polish them & solder back on?

Its in such good condition, I was thinking redial. But I think the dial is at the very least partly original?
The grind marks are normal. When the index markers are mounted to the dial, the exposed legs on the back side have to be removed after being "riveted".
 
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Hi Davro1

It is real, I have the same model, but in 14K. In gold it is ref. B6617. The lower printing is fading on my dial and I have been looking for a dial from a stainless or clad version (one from a gold version costs as much as the watch), but didn't know the reference number. Thanks to you I now do. By the way, there are a number of men's dressier watches from this era that contain smaller movements to keep them slim. Fun fact, the cal 670 is based on the manual wind 620....which is found in many dress watches.
 
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Cant thank you guys enough. You are a well of knowledge & filled in the bits I was missing. I guess the wife is getting a new watch.

Thanks again
 
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This is a Seamaster de Ville belonging to the Seamaster line, and not a De Ville. 😀
 
Dan S
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gmmy775 gmmy775
The second watch is from 1956 I believe. The pictures don't do it justice, it is very presentable. After re-reading your post I am kind of getting that you were looking for something more boy size, and this is only 21 mm. Until I took it out of the case to photo I didn't realize that the hour hand has a small curl at the tip that sometimes catches on the minute hand. Also have a lady seamaster that is 22.5 mm, but didn't offer it because the sunburst champagne dial is sort of midway in a patina thing. It looks better than the pix, but I didn't think you would be interested. Could do a swap plus on the first watch though. I would offer you one of my mens omegas, but (don't know how to say this nicely) your watch doesn't make for an equal trade because of the size and the movement. Frankly, if it had gold furniture I would probably overlook that. I do have many vintage mens watches that are more or less an even swap. I can be reached at gemmyintl at gmail. Sorry about the dial and inside case back shot, typical non-existent depth-of-field with a macro lens.

This is not the place to discuss trading or selling, it should be by PM as noted in forum rules. Also, that dial is poorly refinished.
 
gmmy775
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Hi Dan

Thx for the heads up, I misinterpreted that...thought you could only sell in the marketplace forum. Lesson learned
 
gmmy775
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Went back and read it over, PM means private messages---that makes sense.
 
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