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2021 Type 20 chronograph Airain re-edition

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The Type 20 Bréguet and Airain have an amazing link to Naval aviation... countdown bezel and 15 minutes totalizer to name a few specific details in these good looking chronographs used by many military pilots.
Interesting to see photos of the real re-edition watch and its movement as so far it have been 3D renderings... by March 2021.
IMHO the price is spot on for a stainless steel chronograph with fly back function... and a Swiss in-house movement.
 
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not much discussion and disclosure on the movement which any interested buyer should be able to appreciate

They must be paying attention - an email showed up in my inbox today with this:

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No extra information though really. Still, a manual-wind column wheel flyback for like $3k isn't shabby, no matter the operation
 
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wow. first time to see such a beauty. 28 jewels swiss made. full bridge. blue steel column wheel. 🥰
any one-to-one comparison between the first issue and this new edition? this could be a
serious chronovirus. 😉
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Might someone help this idiot understand the bezel?

12hr count down?

Might someone now help this idiot understand the video host’s mention of the 60 minute counter being relevant specifically to aircraft carrier aviation while the 30 minute counter being relevant specifically to “non naval” aviation?

Also, in my very limited understanding of aviation Chronographs, there are in some contexts a prefer nice for instead a 15 minute counter - as I understood it being relevant to various pre-flight checks requiring a 15 minute run time interval of some sorts.

I guess in all I’d love to be pointed toward a reliable resource on how these aviation chrono minute counters are borne of particular aviation timing requirements.

I thought the video host did a good job of (for a dunce like me) explaining the fly back relevance to an aviation chronograph
 
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They must be paying attention - an email showed up in my inbox today with this:

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No extra information though really. Still, a manual-wind column wheel flyback for like $3k isn't shabby, no matter the operation

This is a modified ETA 7750...
 
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This is a modified ETA 7750...

So I wonder if it's maybe like a more-customized SW510M ? Or did La Joux-Perret do their own version of it?
 
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So I wonder if it's maybe like a more-customized SW510M ? Or did La Joux-Perret do their own version of it?

Who is the supplier I can't say, but this movement has 7750 written all over it (not literally just in case someone decides to take it that way).

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Tweaks for the column wheel, so this is based off the ETA column wheel version of the 7750...A08somethingorother...but the underlying base architecture is unmistakable. Oh they added the Triovis regulator too, different main chronograph bridge (since this is a manual wind), etc.
 
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So what do we think of the chocolate brown dial version?

I've been thinking about acquiring a Type 20 watch for some time.

I had been thinking "vintage," but this offer is a very appealing alternative.
 
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Who is the supplier I can't say, but this movement has 7750 written all over it (not literally just in case someone decides to take it that way).

Tweaks for the column wheel, so this is based off the ETA column wheel version of the 7750...A08somethingorother...but the underlying base architecture is unmistakable. Oh they added the Triovis regulator too, different main chronograph bridge (since this is a manual wind), etc.

And a flyback, too, which I guess might answer why they went with having it customized by LJ-P rather than using a 510M. Even so, I expected it would be some sort of off-the-shelf movement at that price point, so it's not exactly all that surprising.
 
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wow. first time to see such a beauty. 28 jewels swiss made. full bridge. blue steel column wheel. 🥰
any one-to-one comparison between the first issue and this new edition? this could be a
serious chronovirus. 😉

Not a very thorough attempt at a one-to-one comparison, but still a useful read on this one can be found here: https://monochrome-watches.com/airain-type-20-re-edition-comeback-price/

In addition, Fratello made a rough comparison too: https://www.fratellowatches.com/airain-type-20-chronograph-watch-faithfully-re-introduced/
 
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here's a new one on auction. (disclaimer - im not in anyway related to the piece owner). this is for info only as i saw this by chance.

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"Valjoux 22. Circa 1950. Military type steel wristwatch with chronograph. Black dial, luminescent hands and Arabic numerals, two counters for the indication of seconds and 30 minutes. Clipped caseback. Mechanical valjoux 22 movement, lever escapement, monometallic balance, flat hairspring, shockproof, and column wheel. Signed and numbered. The watch works (not revised). Diameter: 37 mm. Length: 25 cm."

https://www.lotsearch.net/lot/airai...able&page=2&orderBy=lot-startPrice&order=DESC
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here's a new one on auction. (disclaimer - im not in anyway related to the piece owner). this is for info only as i saw this by chance.

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"Valjoux 22. Circa 1950. Military type steel wristwatch with chronograph. Black dial, luminescent hands and Arabic numerals, two counters for the indication of seconds and 30 minutes. Clipped caseback. Mechanical valjoux 22 movement, lever escapement, monometallic balance, flat hairspring, shockproof, and column wheel. Signed and numbered. The watch works (not revised). Diameter: 37 mm. Length: 25 cm."

https://www.lotsearch.net/lot/airai...able&page=2&orderBy=lot-startPrice&order=DESC
That doesn't look kosher? Never seen one with those pushers, crown and case?! @Ludi can chime in?
 
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This is a modified ETA 7750...
It reminds me of the movement foud in my Longines BigEye Avigation..Marketed as "in-house" ref L-688. I have to say, it performs very well and it seems to be quite well executed with it's column wheel. Up to this date, reliable and solid. Hopefully the Airain gives me the same satisfaction.
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It reminds me of the movement foud in my Longines BigEye Avigation..Marketed as "in-house" ref L-688. I have to say, it performs very well and it seems to be quite well executed with it's column wheel. Up to this date, reliable and solid. Hopefully the Airain gives me the same satisfaction.
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Well, not for nothing ETA is in-house for Longines 😜
 
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It reminds me of the movement foud in my Longines BigEye Avigation..Marketed as "in-house" ref L-688. I have to say, it performs very well and it seems to be quite well executed with it's column wheel. Up to this date, reliable and solid. Hopefully the Airain gives me the same satisfaction.
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Yes, and the co-axial version for Omega is the Cal. 3330...
 
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I may have missed it, but does anyone know for certain the height of the watch?
 
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I may have missed it, but does anyone know for certain the height of the watch?
From their website

TECHNICAL DATA
Model: Type 20 Brown Limited Edition
Reference: 421.458

Case
Material: Stainless steel
Diameter: 39.5mm
Height: 10.85mm
Crystal: 3.92mm domed hesalite with anti-scratch treatment
Caseback: Screwed in
Bezel: Bidirectional

Movement
Caliber: Manual-wind column wheel chronograph caliber AM1 with flyback complication
Power reserve: 60 hours
Chronograph: 30 minutes
Jewels: 28 jewels
Shock protection: Incabloc
 
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Faz, Thank you.

I was on their site today but somehow could not find the detailed specs.

Now I see that they are on the order page.
 
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