1st Purchase - Speedy

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I second just hanging out on the forum. Lots of speedies of all types, condition, and vintage pop up here at reasonable prices.

And, also I think many of us would advise you not to pinch pennies. If you're willing to drop $2-3K on a luxury watch... Why not spend ~$4K+ getting the model you actually want in good condition?

Fair comment thank you, i think I need to up the budget some and stop scraping at the ass-end of the barrel. Despite it's controversial detours, this thread has been very useful to hone in on a ref and budget.
 
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The only reason I like a Speedy is due to the connection with the Apollo missions, never thought I would see a moon landing denier interested in one. Glad you like them though.

Just because you have an opinion does not mean it is the same value as other opinions. Especially when there is zero evidence that there was a hoax, and thousands of photos, hours of video, and independent photos from various nations and amateur astronomers of landing sites on the moon. You could easily verify yourself by looking up counter arguments to each of your "proofs", but you don't want to. That is why people.will be rude to you.

Not that you care, but a nice summary:
From the Apollo Moon missions, there are 8,400 publicly available photos, thousands of hours of video footage, a mountain of scientific data, and full transcripts and audio recordings of all air-to-ground conversations. We even have 382 kilograms of Moon rock that Apollo astronauts brought back to Earth. These rocks have been independently verified as lunar by laboratories around the world, ruling out a US conspiracy.

If this is not enough to convince the most-hardened sceptic, Nasa’s Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) might sway them. Today, LRO takes high resolution pictures of the lunar surface from a low orbit. During its mission, it has captured the landing sites and the abandoned descent modules and rovers from the Apollo missions. And its resolution is so good it has picked up the dark squiggly paths that the astronaut’s footprints made. Spacecraft from China, India and Japan have also spotted these landing sites, providing further independent verification of the landings.

A final nail in the coffin of the Moon hoax theories is a simple instrument installed 50 years ago by Apollo 11. During their day on the Moon, Armstrong and Aldrin planted a lunar laser ranging retroreflector array on the surface. It’s still operational today, and allows us to reflect lasers off of it and measure the distance to the Moon down to the centimetre. We simply couldn’t do this if we hadn’t visited the Moon."
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With any luck, the original poster will become interested in speedmasters and, in his research of the speedmaster, find data he accepts from Omega/this forum regarding the moon landing. Because the more that you read about the omegas that went into space and their heritage, the more difficult it must be to deny a key aspect of that history--- I would think.

Asimov once wrote that there was a "false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."

There definitely seems to be this assumption that people's opinions on literally anything should be treated with an equal amount of respect regardless of validity. There is a vast amount of difference between treating people with a fundamental level of respect and treating their opinions with a fundamental level of respect-- its perfectly possible to respect an individual's right to living their life while also taking @Dan S 's approach by essentially saying, " your beliefs do not match up on a fundamental level with the beliefs/values of the community, so feel free to take them elsewhere." And, based upon the collected data, his follow-up comment isn't inaccurate.

I don't know if I can separate my appreciation for Omega from my appreciation of space, and NASA. there's a lot of heritage there that can't be unwound or separated, and communities form based upon an appreciation for common heritage.

Edit: wow, just went back through the thread and saw the edit to post #11. That's a lot... to unpack. I always hope people like OP come around, but I just don't know what I could personally say that would change that sort of opinion if no other data has been able to do so.

So as a last comment from me to you on the matter @DJ72, people weren't necessarily liking Dan's comments because they were trying to be actively malicious towards you, but because they share a common... set of community values, and what you said was totally against omega's heritage, and something the community shares appreciation of.

Hopefully that makes sense- as strange as it may sound I don't mean anything I have just said and a malicious or offensive matter, and I want to thank you for creating this threat and increasing my appreciation of Omega's history.


The only reason I like a Speedy is due to the connection with the Apollo missions, never thought I would see a moon landing denier interested in one. Glad you like them though.

Just because you have an opinion does not mean it is the same value as other opinions. Especially when there is zero evidence that there was a hoax, and thousands of photos, hours of video, and independent photos from various nations and amateur astronomers of landing sites on the moon. You could easily verify yourself by looking up counter arguments to each of your "proofs", but you don't want to. That is why people will be rude to you.

Not that you care, but a nice summary:

"From the Apollo Moon missions, there are 8,400 publicly available photos, thousands of hours of video footage, a mountain of scientific data, and full transcripts and audio recordings of all air-to-ground conversations. We even have 382 kilograms of Moon rock that Apollo astronauts brought back to Earth. These rocks have been independently verified as lunar by laboratories around the world, ruling out a US conspiracy.

If this is not enough to convince the most-hardened sceptic, Nasa’s Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) might sway them. Today, LRO takes high resolution pictures of the lunar surface from a low orbit. During its mission, it has captured the landing sites and the abandoned descent modules and rovers from the Apollo missions. And its resolution is so good it has picked up the dark squiggly paths that the astronaut’s footprints made. Spacecraft from China, India and Japan have also spotted these landing sites, providing further independent verification of the landings.

A final nail in the coffin of the Moon hoax theories is a simple instrument installed 50 years ago by Apollo 11. During their day on the Moon, Armstrong and Aldrin planted a lunar laser ranging retroreflector array on the surface. It’s still operational today, and allows us to reflect lasers off of it and measure the distance to the Moon down to the centimetre. We simply couldn’t do this if we hadn’t visited the Moon."
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I've been alive 59 years and married for 25 of them and I must say -- once adulthood sets in humans seldom truly change their minds, and even more disappointing, if they do they even more rarely admit to it.
Pride?
Ego?
Saving face?
Dunno.
If a tree falls in the forest ~ if a mind is changed but never announced and thusly shared?

I can count on two hands with a few fingers to spare the times adults have said, "Wow, I was completely fυcking wrong. Holy mac & cheese, thank you for setting my shit straight."

Cognitive Dissonance FTW.
 
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Critical thinking and logic should give a natural immunity to all this conspiracy stuff. I think it was much easier to go to the Moon than fake it given the level of engineering and historic detail available. That is not to say elements were not spun. Politics, money and power are a heady mix.

It does not help that the good guys do get up to some secret shenanigans at times … but only ever in the name of keeping us safe….
Some of us in gas starved Europe wonder what’s in the pipeline next ;0). I suspect all this cost more than an Apollo launch, lucky they don’t do stuff like this anymore…..
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Global Marine Development Inc., the research and development arm of Global Marine Inc., a pioneer in deepwater offshore drilling operations, was contracted to design, build and operate Hughes Glomar Explorer to secretly salvage the sunken Soviet submarine
The recovery operation in international waters about six years later used mining for manganese nodules as its cover. The company was nominally owned by Howard Hughes who, secretly backed by the CIA, had paid for the construction of the Hughes Glomar Explorer..
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Azorian
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Thank you Dan that's very generous of you, and the others that patted you on the back for your mordant comment. For the enthusiastic Omega neophyte, substantive character aspersions based on a difference of opinion are always highly valued and constructive.
This is kind of a disturbing thing that has been growing in society where people now equate facts with opinions and back it up with a ridiculous Youtube video. It's not really fair to equate your opinion with an obvious fact. It's one thing to fantasize about the moon landing being fake after watching Capricorn One, but the real problem is when people like you start to deny elections that were free and fair.
 
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This is kind of a disturbing thing that has been growing in society where people now equate facts with opinions and back it up with a ridiculous Youtube video. It's not really fair to equate your opinion with an obvious fact. It's one thing to fantasize about the moon landing being fake after watching Capricorn One, but the real problem is when people like you start to deny elections that were free and fair.

Agreed.
Sidebar: interesting username... you should post in the Story Behind Your Username thread.
 
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It's not really fair to equate your opinion with an obvious fact.

But if there are two sides of an issue, each has a 50% chance of being correct ... right? 😁
 
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The Speedmaster is a motorsports watch that happened to go to the moon (which sucks) for marketing purposes.
 
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Certainly off topic but not trolling. You'll have to forgive me not participating in everyone's groupthink that we went to 'the moon' in a tin can made out of drywall and tinfoil back in the late 60's and that since then NASA have 'lost' the technology on how to do it and most the original footage was 'accidentally' deleted. Here's Mr Aldrin, now an old dude who doesn't give AF anymore, fessing up that they never actually went.....

(SURELY that can't be true though that can it, it goes against what the brainwashing box told you...LOL)

Anyway FWIW i'm coming around to the beauty of the 'moon' watch itself, despite the moon landings IMHO were a load of dodgy (by todays standards) cinematography, filmed by Stanley Kubrick using a large set and early green screen technology. As for the 'phone call from the moon' to the president...i can barely get a decent signal here in London half the time and there's three 5G masts a quarter mile up the road

You Sir, are a moron.
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Thanks OP and everybody else for the only entertaining and interesting Speedmaster tread on OF.
 
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Asimov once wrote that there was a "false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."


Thank you,@ErichPryde. I like this quote a lot.
 
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Critical thinking and logic should give a natural immunity to all this conspiracy stuff. I think it was much easier to go to the Moon than fake it given the level of engineering and historic detail available.

The real kicker is that there were some 400,000 people involved, and yet no one has spilled the beans on this massive undertaking, that is was all a sham according to the OP.

Try to get 4 people to keep a secret, and you realize how nonsensical this particular conspiracy theory is...
 
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Yeah... every step of this conspiracy is testable individually. It's literally an A Priori argument that establishes the thesis as fact first and then collects nonsense as a caricature of scientific hypothesis. If any hypothesis necessary to the "theory" is easily breakable, it's a bad theory. If an individual refuses to accept any evidence that disproves one of their hypotheses, then it's a valueless theory. It's like SC1 said, at that point... people will go to extreme and ludicrous lengths to not admit they are wrong.






The real kicker is that there were some 400,000 people involved, and yet no one has spilled the beans on this massive undertaking, that is was all a sham according to the OP.

Try to get 4 people to keep a secret, and you realize how nonsensical this particular conspiracy theory is...
 
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You are welcome. Carl Sagan has a lot of fantastic quotes in a similar vein!


Asimov once wrote that there was a "false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."


Thank you,@ErichPryde. I like this quote a lot.
 
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The real kicker is that there were some 400,000 people involved, and yet no one has spilled the beans on this massive undertaking, that is was all a sham according to the OP.

Try to get 4 people to keep a secret, and you realize how nonsensical this particular conspiracy theory is...

It’s not even just Americans you’d have to have “in on it” either. Several family friends including Neville Eyre, mentioned here were involved from Honeysuckle and Parkes in Australia. It’s odd that the fake moon landing garbage seems to be almost a uniquely American thing even though they’re the ones that actually achieved it. Even the Chinese and Russians recognise it happened.

https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a16/A16HSK-OnlySuper8.html
 
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Na just about 4 people at Pinewood studios in England were in on it and they have all been killed by NASA operatives. The operatives wore Speedmasters btw.
 
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In fairness and equality to the Russians and Chinese, I'm certain that they also have... some shared non-scientific beliefs within their cultures. The fact that the denial is largely American probably DOES have more to do with the "Freedom of Speech" fallacy that seems to be more a result of American Culture.

That said... no clue of the OPs cultural background- wait, I think he said he was in the UK.

I just did some googling- Looks like it might be more accurate to call it a "Western thing?" this article suggests that it's also a conspiracy believed in the UK.

Wow- I don't watch Rogan, can't believe (actually, I can) he's a doubter, too. Imagine going to such lengths to even deny that pictures from modern satellites of the tracks left by the rovers are somehow faked. This sort of illogic chain just has so many places it breaks down, truly incredible.

It’s not even just Americans you’d have to have “in on it” either. Several family friends including Neville Eyre, mentioned here were involved from Honeysuckle and Parkes in Australia. It’s odd that the fake moon landing garbage seems to be almost a uniquely American thing even though they’re the ones that actually achieved it. Even the Chinese and Russians recognise it happened.

https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a16/A16HSK-OnlySuper8.html
 
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It’s not even just Americans you’d have to have “in on it” either. Several family friends including Neville Eyre, mentioned here were involved from Honeysuckle and Parkes in Australia. It’s odd that the fake moon landing garbage seems to be almost a uniquely American thing even though they’re the ones that actually achieved it. Even the Chinese and Russians recognise it happened.

https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a16/A16HSK-OnlySuper8.html

Well, Americans, Germans, Canadians/Brits (many of those from Avro after the CF-105 project was cancelled - better known as the Avro Arrow)...lots of countries had people involved, yes including you guys down under...
 
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I think it’s good to have people challenge the status quo to a degree and also challenge the evidence, Even more so as a lot of science is increasingly out of reach to the person in the street requiring huge budgets which do lead to biases and the potential for confirmation bias/ bias full stop. Throw in political ideology (statements for the greater good) and profit driven corporate budgets bigger than most countries, it is a heady mix with the potential from controlling new technology as well. Defending a scientifically held belief can make you understand it in a much deeper way. Transparency and full disclosure is the best defence but sound bites and censorship stifle debate. Ultimately viewpoint diversity is important and academics themselves do now feel very exposed when exploring controversial topics and perhaps discovering information which challenges a cultural / political and or corporate narrative. Knowledge is the first victim and that is a conspiracy breeding ground. Having said all that we did go to the moon IMHO getting back to the main point :0)
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-46146766