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I agree- The very basis of science is to challenge hypotheses. That's exactly how good critical thinking should work- you test, and verify. HOWEVER, The moon landing conspiracies don't do that. They're essentially A priori- they establish as fact that we did not go to the moon first, then provide hypotheses as to why that's true, every one of which is testable and demonstrably false. I've never taken them seriously enough nor been a member of a community where they came up that I looked into them much, but based upon my reading over the last several days it sure looks like Kaysing's original "hypotheses" were all addressed to satisfaction years ago, and this current stuff is wild, requiring a long chain of erroneous beliefs that the conspiracy theorists can't even agree on. It's like, a bunch of bored Days of Our Lives fans discussing what happened, what really happened, and what should have happened.

It's kind of funny that the same thing that has made science SO much more reachable to the average person- has also made pseudoscience so much more reachable. I don't really agree that the scientific method is increasingly "out of reach" so much as pseudoscience is much more reachable BECAUSE of technology, and we don't put enough emphasis on scientific education. Sagan has some excellent quotes about how our society (at the time he was alive) was becoming completely dependent upon science and technology, but lacked an essential understanding of that technology. "The consequences of scientific illiteracy are far more dangerous in our time than in any that has come before" is the quote that most strongly resonates with me- all you need is a lack of critical thinking and the internet, and you'll be a conspiracy theorist in no time I suppose.



Now- me having said all of that- I want to reiterate that I strongly agree with you in what you are saying about testing beliefs. I'm really glad to see critical thinking at work so strongly within this forum.

I think it’s good to have people challenge the status quo to a degree and also challenge the evidence, Even more so as a lot of science is increasingly out of reach to the person in the street requiring huge budgets which do lead to biases and the potential for confirmation bias/ bias full stop. Throw in political ideology (statements for the greater good) and profit driven corporate budgets bigger than most countries, it is a heady mix with the potential from controlling new technology as well. Defending a scientifically held belief can make you understand it in a much deeper way. Transparency and full disclosure is the best defence but sound bites and censorship stifle debate. Ultimately viewpoint diversity is important and academics themselves do now feel very exposed when exploring controversial topics and perhaps discovering information which challenges a cultural / political and or corporate narrative. Knowledge is the first victim and that is a conspiracy breeding ground. Having said all that we did go to the moon IMHO getting back to the main point :0)
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-46146766
 
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Oh dear, an authentic troll or a time-served nutcase, who knows?
Personally disappointed, as after reading the original post I was excited about being able to have an input....hey ho!
Anyway, I bought my first speedy a couple of months ago, a triple date, the aforementioned 3520.50, and I'm over the moon with it (no pun intended, honest!). A great version of the speedy, which does everything I expected.
For those who don't know the UK, we're not all nutters!
 
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I actually get angry when I hear bollocks like that which is posted in this thread. It belittles the achievements of thousands of decent people striving for a higher goal with mindless head in the sand stupidity. If you personally don’t understand the science that put a man on the moon, feel free to go to college or perhaps shut tf up and hide your ignorance but gobbing off in this way really pushes my buttons.
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Okay everyone, calm the fυck down...

let's get back on topic -

the earth has to be flat otherwise when I fall over I would keep tumbling until either a building or some structure stopped me or I would fall off the planet.
 
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Oh dear, an authentic troll or a time-served nutcase, who knows?
Personally disappointed, as after reading the original post I was excited about being able to have an input....hey ho!
Anyway, I bought my first speedy a couple of months ago, a triple date, the aforementioned 3520.50, and I'm over the moon with it (no pun intended, honest!). A great version of the speedy, which does everything I expected.
For those who don't know the UK, we're not all nutters!

I loved mine but with age legibility was a challenge and at the time I did not have a Speedy pro. I ended up trading it for an 1861. If I had not been budget poor I would still have it. A lot of complications for the money.
 
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Yeah it's gotta be true because it was on TV etc. I venture one opinion and y'all can't help yourselves; well I apologise for derailing a genuine thread with a genuine view. We'll have to agree to disagree, i ain't here to convince anyone, i'm looking to buy my first Speedy.

Seen one 2016 for about £3400 in 'very good' condition, does that seem like a realistic price point?
Even the Russians never claimed it was fake. Doesn’t that tell you something?
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i happen to have met a NASA engineer who worked on that mission - and he told me very interesting things about it:
Do you think hundreds of people at NASA were paid to pretend it happened when it didn’t, and still would stick to their story while retired and 35 years after the fact?

I’m not really seriously asking for a reply by the way.
 
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Okay everyone, calm the fυck down...

let's get back on topic -

the earth has to be flat otherwise when I fall over I would keep tumbling until either a building or some structure stopped me or I would fall off the planet.


 
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Even the Russians never claimed it was fake. Doesn’t that tell you something?
Also-
i happen to have met a NASA engineer who worked on that mission - and he told me very interesting things about it:
Do you think hundreds of people at NASA were paid to pretend it happened when it didn’t, and still would stick to their story while retired and 35 years after the fact?

I’m not really seriously asking for a reply by the way.

Had they challenged it would have blown the fake Gagarin missions and shown the Earth was flat as a pancake….duh….
 
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You can't reason someone out of an opinion they didn't reason themselves into.
 
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Okay everyone, calm the fυck down...

let's get back on topic -

the earth has to be flat otherwise when I fall over I would keep tumbling until either a building or some structure stopped me or I would fall off the planet.


Uh, not to mention that if it spun at 2000 miles an hour I would go flying off into space ,Thanks for pointing that out
 
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You can't reason someone out of an opinion they didn't reason themselves into.

Love this, I'm stealing it and I may not credit you
 
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Love this, I'm stealing it and I may not credit you
I'm a big fan of maxims and pithy quotes. Whenever I see something that resonates with me I save it. I checked my file and have this one attributed to... "-Unknown". So, go forth and steal it wholesale like I did! Also, I'll just throw in that Joe Rogan admitted he was wrong about the moon landing bullshit a long time ago. Seems he can't help himself from getting caught up in a good conspiracy theory every once in awhile though.
 
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That's good to know. I can always respect someone who can admit they had a conspiracy theory wrong.

Yes- there's definitely some scientific literature that suggest people who are prone to believe in conspiracy theories because of a lack of critical thinking... are likely to believe in other conspiracy theories. Dan S's comment was spot-on about that. Guess it's like being an alcoholic or a drug-addict, not hard to fall off the wagon if you don't strictly and rigorously observe critical thinking rules?

I'm a big fan of maxims and pithy quotes. Whenever I see something that resonates with me I save it. I checked my file and have this one attributed to... "-Unknown". So, go forth and steal it wholesale like I did! Also, I'll just throw in that Joe Rogan admitted he was wrong about the moon landing bullshit a long time ago. Seems he can't help himself from getting caught up in a good conspiracy theory every once in awhile though.
 
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But I already have a Moon.


These sorts of threads make me feel like Midnight has the right idea.


Going to the moon made believing other fantastical things ever so much more. Many who watched it also saw flight, New forms of energy and the breaking of the sound barrier. (The latter does not really count as that is what whips do to make the cracking sound.)

Back in the 1920s and 1930 there was something called Theosophy. We now call this Spiritualism and laugh at it. Yet some important people who did things like invent Radar (Varian brothers) family were members. Houdini and Doyle were the best known.

(edit: if one impossible thing is real, then all impossible things are real)

Houdini said something to the effect that if money was involved, people would rehearse the trick. Figuring that every time they practiced the illusion they were earning a dollar. On the other hand he got rather upset when one wanted him to pay to remove a curse. So the government created something called the Bunko squad. This was a sinecure given to the least competent member of the local police force. There task (mandated by congress) was to go after palm and card readers, along with other fortune tellers. Such people were bribing government officials offering them wealth and power. (for a small fee.)

Politicos have always had an astrologer on the staff. The whole system becomes a feedback loop. Curiously it was Sagan who pointed this out.

I once asked Frank Drake why people believed such things. His reply was "Because it is fun."