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·that`s what i thought as well. thanks for that information. kind regards. achim
1950s Argentine Air Force CK2451 27 CHRO C12
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerDoes the date of Extract cause any concern here? I know they used to simply transfer information from whatever was written on the form, so how much of the information was submitted by the owner, and how much was from the archives?
Would be interesting to see a current Extract to see how different it would be...
Would be interesting to see a current Extract to see how different it would be...
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TNTwatch
·Does the date of Extract cause any concern here? I know they used to simply transfer information from whatever was written on the form, so how much of the information was submitted by the owner, and how much was from the archives?
Would be interesting to see a current Extract to see how different it would be...
Also @mac_omega pointed out the alpha hands are incorrect, which is proven by the extract saying "stick" hands.
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thomasmichael
·Just stumbled over those posts. I am from the planet of vintage motorcycles. Just remember that the Police of Buenos Aires had a row of Brough Superiors SS100 just before the war. Argentina was obviously one of the richest countries, the currency “gold covered”. In those days a SS100 had a price like a very good motor car. Today they are worth a fortune....
The 27CHRO C12 is a kind of SS100....
Greetings from Switzerland
The 27CHRO C12 is a kind of SS100....
Greetings from Switzerland
I've had these exact questions and been waiting for those enthusiasts of the 2913/2914/2915 to chime in, but seems this watch is not one of those 😉
Also @mac_omega pointed out the alpha hands are incorrect, which is proven by the extract saying "stick" hands.
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JAVI R
·
Regards,sorry for my English,only speak Spanish.
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Revo
·I think there are military-watch fora on the internet - maybe people can supply with more "hard" information. Better to be safe than sorry!
I think you want mwr:
https://www.mwrforum.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?2-Main-Forum
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·Hi
Hope it is ok to resurface this thread.
I was chating with my watchmaker yesterday (actually to remind him of me ;-) and he showed me what I thought was an interesting watch I had not seen yet, he mentioned that it was from argentinian military origin. He purchased it on the bay and I don’t think he has any extract of archive or more info from the previous owners really.
I took some pictures there (with his permission to check for more info later on). He is not selling and I am not buying. I am just curious (and found this thread coming back home). I found the watch lovely in person and wanted to know more.
Here are some pictures :
with what I read above I understand it is difficult to be sure but I share anyway.
Some consistency with what has been shown and discussed earlier :movement serial number, model code and dial.
And some not so consistent : like the hands (all of them).
I wonder if the shared knowledge can be improved here.
Hope it is ok to resurface this thread.
I was chating with my watchmaker yesterday (actually to remind him of me ;-) and he showed me what I thought was an interesting watch I had not seen yet, he mentioned that it was from argentinian military origin. He purchased it on the bay and I don’t think he has any extract of archive or more info from the previous owners really.
I took some pictures there (with his permission to check for more info later on). He is not selling and I am not buying. I am just curious (and found this thread coming back home). I found the watch lovely in person and wanted to know more.
Here are some pictures :
with what I read above I understand it is difficult to be sure but I share anyway.
Some consistency with what has been shown and discussed earlier :movement serial number, model code and dial.
And some not so consistent : like the hands (all of them).
I wonder if the shared knowledge can be improved here.
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cristos71
·I'd like more pictures but my first impression is that it is a redial. Interesting that it is signed both 174-1 and 2451.
Do you also have a case back picture?
Do you also have a case back picture?
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·??? Military it is not . Military means issued. The Omega sign font does not correspond to the age of the movement either. Need an outside case back picture as well. 2 missing pusher caps often means: Trouble with that section ...
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YYTIN
·Thanks for your replies.
Unfortunately I have nothing more right now : I should have taken a picture of the case back though ! I don’t think it was marked with anything… but now that I think of it it could well be looking like a Lemania case back.
And I agree, having read this thread, that the odds of a Frankenstein/redial is quite high.
I don’t plan to be the bad news bearer but next time I see him I will ask to see the case back and for those who want better pics you can ask and I’ll do my best).
It is a pity not to have pics of 100% confirmed original
One (2451 and/or a 2451 Argentinian Air Force one) in this thread for posterity. Does it exist somewhere ?
Checking with the 174 case ref I found 2 more threads in OF:
https://omegaforums.net/threads/omega-chrono-2451-174-1-help-please.9266/
https://omegaforums.net/threads/curious-about-omega-174–3-321-chronograph.104871/
So my understanding for now is that this particular watch has/is :
- a possible redial (no Swiss made, not so well defined sub dials)
- wrong hands ?
- an original Lemania case (174) that « became » an omega one at some point (2451) : but that remains in the world of possible.
Thanks again.
It’s good to know I’m still not readyto assess correctly into the wild ;-) Not that there is a lot of watch shows in my area but it’s better to know my limits ;-)
Unfortunately I have nothing more right now : I should have taken a picture of the case back though ! I don’t think it was marked with anything… but now that I think of it it could well be looking like a Lemania case back.
And I agree, having read this thread, that the odds of a Frankenstein/redial is quite high.
I don’t plan to be the bad news bearer but next time I see him I will ask to see the case back and for those who want better pics you can ask and I’ll do my best).
It is a pity not to have pics of 100% confirmed original
One (2451 and/or a 2451 Argentinian Air Force one) in this thread for posterity. Does it exist somewhere ?
Checking with the 174 case ref I found 2 more threads in OF:
https://omegaforums.net/threads/omega-chrono-2451-174-1-help-please.9266/
https://omegaforums.net/threads/curious-about-omega-174–3-321-chronograph.104871/
So my understanding for now is that this particular watch has/is :
- a possible redial (no Swiss made, not so well defined sub dials)
- wrong hands ?
- an original Lemania case (174) that « became » an omega one at some point (2451) : but that remains in the world of possible.
Thanks again.
It’s good to know I’m still not readyto assess correctly into the wild ;-) Not that there is a lot of watch shows in my area but it’s better to know my limits ;-)
