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1950s Argentine Air Force CK2451 27 CHRO C12

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Hi achim ,Nice try , I also bought F.A.A.watches my example I bought for 400 dollars in 2006

So I did some inquiries about the Omega for sale, just to be sure with Argentina collectors and major dealers.

We all agree it is a Fake. And trust me we know.

Omega chronographs for the F.A.A. Where introduced from 1951 . Which is serial range 12,000,000 chro 27 and above.

The davidoff example is serial 10,000,000 1944 range. ( second world war still going on by the way )

Also a fellow collector major dealer from Argentina commented that if you look at the serial number of the Davidoff example is laser engraved and does not match the color of the engeavings on the bridge. And it very probably a lemania converted into an Omega.

I really want extract of Omega stating that it is delivered at the F.A.A.


One more comment a collector made that in Argentina there where lots of N.O.S. Ck 2451 cases availible which where converted into franken watches.
 
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One more comment a collector made that in Argentina there where lots of N.O.S. Ck 2451 cases availible which where converted into franken watches.


Besides the point fake or not it is good to have a discusion about Omega F.A.A. Chronos to establish a Standard.
 
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One more comment the dealer collector made I am cutting my own fingers here is that he also had a ck2451 from the F.A.A.
With a pulsometer dial and movement cal 321 , which acording to him should be cal.27 chro.

This due to the N.O.S. Ck 2451 Cases availible which they put together with the Omega movements availible at any time.
 
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For what it's worth. I bought this in Argentina and had a great experience with the seller.

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Americano, was there ever a genuine issued 2 counter Omega chrono , caliber 320 ? not 321 ? i remember seeing one many years ago and was not sure, if it was ever issued with a 2 counter caliber 320..... Kind regards. achim
 
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Americano, was there ever a genuine issued 2 counter Omega chrono , caliber 320 ? not 321 ? i remember seeing one many years ago and was not sure, if it was ever issued with a 2 counter caliber 320..... Kind regards. achim
Hola Achim ,if my memory dies not betrap me I think
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For what it's worth. I bought this in Argentina and had a great experience with the seller.

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Nice one !
 
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so, again: was there ever an 2 counter omega chrono issued to the AAF ? if yes, it must be a very early one from 1951-52? kind regards. joachim
 
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Hola Achim ,if my memory dies not betrap me I think

Nice one !


Meanwhile while we are awaiting the omega extract from the Davidoff Brothers with proof that their Seamaster? chrono caliber 27 from 1944 !?(airforce chronos where actually delivered from 1951) Was actually delivered to the F.A.A. ( they are experts) let me show off my collection of Omega's
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so, again: was there ever an 2 counter omega chrono issued to the AAF ? if yes, it must be a very early one from 1951-52? kind regards. joachim
 
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Meanwhile while we are awaiting the omega extract from the Davidoff Brothers with proof that their Seamaster? chrono caliber 27 from 1944 !?(airforce chronos where actually delivered from 1951) Was actually delivered to the F.A.A. ( they are experts) let me show off my collection of Omega's
 
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I dont have any recollection of an omega 2 counter chrono , for the F.A.A.in 1951. It might excist or might not excist.

cal.320 did excist
 
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I dont have any recollection of an omega 2 counter chrono , for the F.A.A.in 1951. It might excist or might not excist.

cal.320 did excist
Some more pics if omega's I purchased over 15 years
 
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cal. 320 is a 2 counter chrono. so maybe it did exist for the AAF ? kind regards. joachim
 
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I dont have any recollection of an omega 2 counter chrono , for the F.A.A.in 1951. It might excist or might not excist.

cal.320 did excist


literature from Bienne: in 1942 the task was given (by Omega director Paul Brandt) to Lémania director Alfred Lugin to develop a chronograph caliber as small and thin as possible, but still including a 12 hr counter. The then 24 year old Albert Piguet designed and constructed the 27 CHRO C12that same year - which Omega approved and consequently accepted. A slightly simpler version 27 CHRO (omitting the 12hr counter) was introduced as well. In 1945 both calibers were equipped with Incabloc and non-sensitive balance hairspring > 27 CHRO C12 PC AM. A few more mechanical improvements were made in 1946, at which time Omega also changed the designation in cal. 321 resp. 320. For ease of production and costs it later lost it 's column or crownwheel and, with a bit higher frequency, became cal. 861.

For your information: cal. 28.9was developed in 1932 with a pusher in the winding crown. A separate pusher was introduced in 1933 and in 1938 it was available with 2 pushers.

Cal.33.3 came on the market in 1933 as single pusher model - in 1938 also with double pushers.
 
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Meanwhile while we are awaiting the omega extract from the Davidoff Brothers with proof that their Seamaster? chrono caliber 27 from 1944 !?(airforce chronos where actually delivered from 1951) Was actually delivered to the F.A.A. ( they are experts) let me show off my collection of Omega's

Nice collection. Sorry for making you wait sir and hope we can one day join your community of FAA experts. You were correct, 1944 would be too early, but this one was delivered in 1950.
Here it is, have a nice day
 
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Nice collection. Sorry for making you wait sir and hope we can one day join your community of FAA experts. You were correct, 1944 would be too early, but this one was delivered in 1950.
Here it is, have a nice day

Welcome to the FAA experts' club😁
 
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Americano, was there ever a genuine issued 2 counter Omega chrono , caliber 320 ? not 321 ? i remember seeing one many years ago and was not sure, if it was ever issued with a 2 counter caliber 320..... Kind regards. achim

320 exists and is 2 register just like 860 is the 2 register version of the 861.
 
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It sounds that this good old story ended!

I think we all hope so 😉
 
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yes, i know that....... the question was, if caliber 320 was ever issued to the AAF. kind regards. achim
 
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yes, i know that....... the question was, if caliber 320 was ever issued to the AAF. kind regards. achim

Never seen a 2 register Omega issued, however we have seen the Heuer 3646 2 register AAF
 
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