18k Gold Seamaster De Ville advice needed

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morpey

·Nov 23, 2015

Hey guys, I'm looking to make my first venture into the exciting world of vintage watch ownership. I have been looking specifically at this Omega Seamaster De Ville, ref num: 166020SC, 18k Solid Yellow Gold stamped from 750, Cal: 565, 24 jewels, silver dial, plexiglass, crocodile skin strap, Mint condition, 1968, freq: 19800 A/h, power res: 50h. - as shown in the following pictures. However, there is still a lot i need to learn, as I am struggling to source the movement number, which is - 2'4760'295 - as 24000000 numbers seem to be skipped in the omega movement number references?

I'm interested to find out from you guys why it is the case that this set of numbers are missed, as well as to be given a valuation of the watch, considering its apparent excellent condition (looks as if it's been refurbished maybe?).

Thanks.

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hoipolloi

·Nov 23, 2015·Vintage Omega Connoisseur

Your attachments are so tiny. Cannot say any thing from them.

 

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Hijak

·Nov 23, 2015

Better pictures than this will be required for any real help.

 

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morpey

·Nov 23, 2015

apologies. - see edit -

 

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hoipolloi

·Nov 23, 2015·Vintage Omega Connoisseur

Case and movement look ok. I need a close up on the seamaster font like this

 

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morpey

·Nov 23, 2015

I have requested a better quality close up from the seller. This is the best I can do for now. What do you think?

hoipolloi

Case and movement look ok. I need a close up on the seamaster font like this

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morpey

·Nov 24, 2015

hoipolloi

Case and movement look ok. I need a close up on the seamaster font like this

Here are the further additional photos the seller sent me:

 

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STANDY

·Nov 24, 2015·schizophrenic pizza orderer and watch collector

Your answer is in the seamaster S and e,s and v in De Ville
And the position of Swiss made

How'd I go @hoipolloi ?

 

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·Nov 24, 2015

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Your answer is in the seamaster S and e,s and v in De Ville
And the position of Swiss made

How'd I go @hoipolloi ?

Well, I can't tell much from the Seamaster text, except for maybe that the first "e" is on a shallower incline on the initial upstroke?
Otherwise the 29th and 31st minute markers are on the outside of the W and D in "SWISS MADE", as opposed to the inside of the W and D on @hoipolloi sample photo.

What does this mean in terms of authenticity / value?

 

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hoipolloi

·Nov 24, 2015·Vintage Omega Connoisseur

M morpey

Here are the further additional photos the seller sent me:

Looks good to me.

 

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morpey

·Nov 24, 2015

hoipolloi

Looks good to me.

Okay nice. What would be your estimated value based on what you've seen?

 

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·Nov 24, 2015·schizophrenic pizza orderer and watch collector

https://omegaforums.net/threads/exc...-and-lizard-strap-tags-etc.31904/#post-359026

Work it out from past sales on forums and eBay.

 

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hoipolloi

·Nov 24, 2015·Vintage Omega Connoisseur

M morpey

Okay nice. What would be your estimated value based on what you've seen?

18k + 565 + hippocampus + box, nice strap and buckle + clean dial and movement = 1800 USD or a bit more, less.

PS.
That is the price for a dial with black onyx insert hour markers. IF they are black painted. 300 usd less, I guess.

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morpey

·Nov 24, 2015

Thanks for that @hoipolloi , you've been very helpful. One final thing with regards to the hour markers, how do I go about verifying whether they are onyx inserts or simply painted? Would that require a professional service? Thanks again for your help.

hoipolloi

18k + 565 + hippocampus + box, nice strap and buckle + clean dial and movement = 1800 USD or a bit more, less.

PS.
That is the price for a dial with black onyx insert hour markers. IF they are black painted. 300 usd less, I guess.

 

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hoipolloi

·Nov 24, 2015·Vintage Omega Connoisseur

Here are black painted and black onyx inserts.

Can you tell?

 

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morpey

·Nov 24, 2015

The first picture is painted? Only the top is black, whereas the second picture are inserts as you can see the black goes further into the hour markers?

Is that right? Interested as is it not possible to paint the difference I see?

hoipolloi

Here are black painted and black onyx inserts.

Can you tell?

 

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hoipolloi

·Nov 24, 2015·Vintage Omega Connoisseur

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The first picture is painted? Only the top is black, whereas the second picture are inserts as you can see the black goes further into the hour markers?

Is that right? Interested as is it not possible to paint the difference I see?

Yes you are right.

 

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·Nov 25, 2015·schizophrenic pizza orderer and watch collector

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Interested as is it not possible to paint the difference I see?

The onyx is actually a insert that is noticeable to the eye when inspecting the watch. You will see this being asked on the forum as not as easy to see in pictures

Great examples by @hoipolloi