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zefir073
·This popped up on FB Speedmaster group as which one to buy ... I have contacted him
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1861 with DON bezel?
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Z900rsdude
·I received the serial number via PM, and have confirmed that it is for a 31130423001005.
Strange one for sure.
I don’t want to appear dense here but what is a DON bezel and what’s wrong with it on this Speedy as it looks like the Speedy Moonwatch bezel to me. Please explain
Thanks
Simon
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Scarecrow Boat
·Hi Archer,
I don’t want to appear dense here but what is a DON bezel and what’s wrong with it on this Speedy as it looks like the Speedy Moonwatch bezel to me. Please explain
Thanks
Simon
This modern speedy never came with a DON but instead a DNN- Dot Near Ninety
While it is a Speedy bezel, it’s not correct for this modern reference.
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Z900rsdude
·Ahhhh Many Thanks for that. Is that the issue then, where that “.” Is
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watermonkey
·Ahhhh Many Thanks for that. Is that the issue then, where that “.” Is
the DON bezel also has a DOT below 70 vs DOT next to 70 .... whereas DNN bezel has a DOT next to 70
Basically we are talking about 1861 which were wrongly fitted with a DON bezel which was reintroduced with the current 3861 Speedmaster.
speaking to Fratello - affected batch is most likely late summer 2020. They had enquired with HQ about a case in Germany adn they have confirmed this was a mistake.
So i'd say for now there are 4 cases ... lets see how many pop up!
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zefir073
·I have LE's with no. xx/24 and xx/100, I consider those to be rare, an 1861 with a DON bezel is not rare as every
1861 going for service to a Omega service center could the bezel replaced with a DON in the future making yours one of many.
Hi,
your LEs are certainly rare.
Of course, if a ref. 005 with DON bezel insert had been produced in the same quantities would be equally rare .. also because Omega is recognizing the originality of the watch through the retailer based on the serial: read what Watermonkey wrote.
Perhaps from a collector's point of view, a "mistake" by the main company could be even more interesting and I'm not thinking of Rolex, but in general of anything collectible.
Best
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zefir073
·I wonder if this watch is just one of a batch of watches that we're fitted with the DON and Eugene is correct with the transitional theory.
We could have an accidental 1861 DON batch from Omega, I see the prices doubling already 😁
Hello,
I can finally update this story because after conversations with my dealer, in which he informally told me that Omega knows he has accidentally mounted the DON bezel on a small number of batches from 1861, the official confirmation from Omega has also arrived!
In practice, after contacting them via the form, they confirmed that Omega is aware that there was an error in the assembly of a small number of refs. 005.
I would add that other cases have been reported for now in France.
to be continued...
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Z900rsdude
·TBH I’ve seen a few brand new models with Don bezels and these have been in various watch boutiques so it appears to be quite common at present, I’d have thought it makes that watch a little more individual.
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Lurk41
·New models would be equipped with the new caliber 3861. On those, DON is standard.
"Issue" here is it is a late 1861 caliber with DON instead of DNN. Basically they put the bezel for the 3861 on some 1861.
As it is recognized by Omega, personally I would not care. It won't affect the warranty or raise suspicion in case of resale. I would be more worried if Omega switches back the bezel during a service 😀
Late summer 2020? Could it be the last batch of 1861 produced? It would explain the mistake, they started with the new bezel a bit sooner than expected
"Issue" here is it is a late 1861 caliber with DON instead of DNN. Basically they put the bezel for the 3861 on some 1861.
As it is recognized by Omega, personally I would not care. It won't affect the warranty or raise suspicion in case of resale. I would be more worried if Omega switches back the bezel during a service 😀
speaking to Fratello - affected batch is most likely late summer 2020
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watermonkey
·TBH I’ve seen a few brand new models with Don bezels and these have been in various watch boutiques so it appears to be quite common at present, I’d have thought it makes that watch a little more individual.
Do you mean -- 1861 with DON? ... could you tell us how many and where ?
I would be more worried if Omega switches back the bezel during a service
Late summer 2020? Could it be the last batch of 1861 produced? It would explain the mistake, they started with the new bezel a bit sooner than expected
There was this one guy on facebook Speedmaster group posted DON 1861 vs 3861 and didnt notice there was something different, no one on facebook noticed either ...
Although a lot of people are buying up 1861 from dealers and posting photos.. i dont see them with the DON so it may just be a few batches.
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zefir073
·TBH I’ve seen a few brand new models with Don bezels and these have been in various watch boutiques so it appears to be quite common at present, I’d have thought it makes that watch a little more individual.
I think you're confusing with the new reference 3861..
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zefir073
·there will be blood ...
Although a lot of people are buying up 1861 from dealers and posting photos.. i dont see them with the DON so it may just be a few batches.
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·I know this is a somewhat old thread but I am resurrecting it because last week I bought a brand new 1861 Speedy from an AD with the intentions of modding it and it was just pointed out to me by another member that it has a DON bezel, albeit a modern one. I guess these variants do exist and have slipped through the cracks. Unlike others, I have no belief these will have any added value or become collectible, and anyways, I have since already modded it... but it is cool to have a modern DON bezel I guess.
Pre mod
Edit to add this photo. It’s from Hodinkee- I had a substantial gift card that made the purchase worth it 😀
Pre mod
Edit to add this photo. It’s from Hodinkee- I had a substantial gift card that made the purchase worth it 😀
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rcs914
·I know this is a somewhat old thread but I am resurrecting it because last week I bought a brand new 1861 Speedy from an AD with the intentions of modding it and it was just pointed out to me by another member that it has a DON bezel, albeit a modern one. I guess these variants do exist and have slipped through the cracks. Unlike others, I have no belief these will have any added value or become collectible, and anyways, I have since already modded it... but it is cool to have a modern DON bezel I guess.
Pre mod
Edit to add this photo. It’s from Hodinkee- I had a substantial gift card that made the purchase worth it 😀
No post mod?
And while I don't think there will be a serious premium for it, the new bezel is SO much better looking than the one that is supposed to be on the 1861.
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·Wow you were able to source a TinTin dial! Nice.
I am kicking myself that I didn't pick up the Japanese racing dial and hand set for $300 when they were available on ebay. Or even the watch itself when it was $3K.
I hemmed and hawed about the Tintin when I bought my speedmaster, as they were all over jomashop, etc for $2800-3000 in 2015. In retrospect that was a bad idea on my part - my '76 has gained maybe a grand in value, while the Tintin has tripled.
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blufinz52
··Hears dead people, not watch rotors.Wow you were able to source a TinTin dial! Nice.
I am kicking myself that I didn't pick up the Japanese racing dial and hand set for $300 when they were available on ebay. Or even the watch itself when it was $3K.
I hemmed and hawed about the Tintin when I bought my speedmaster, as they were all over jomashop, etc for $2800-3000 in 2015. In retrospect that was a bad idea on my part - my '76 has gained maybe a grand in value, while the Tintin has tripled.
I just finished the mod for Japan Racing dial and hands. Cost a lot more than $300 though 👍
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Scarecrow Boat
·Wow you were able to source a TinTin dial! Nice.
I am kicking myself that I didn't pick up the Japanese racing dial and hand set for $300 when they were available on ebay. Or even the watch itself when it was $3K.
I hemmed and hawed about the Tintin when I bought my speedmaster, as they were all over jomashop, etc for $2800-3000 in 2015. In retrospect that was a bad idea on my part - my '76 has gained maybe a grand in value, while the Tintin has tripled.
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ckhaing
·so the transitional models are out there i guess (1861 body with 3861 bezel)
do we also expect possibility of some 1861 with stepped dial / apply logo ?
do we also expect possibility of some 1861 with stepped dial / apply logo ?
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