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13ZN Chronographs Inquiries and Information.

  1. DirtyDozen12 Thanks, mystery donor! Feb 28, 2017

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    Any thoughts on these coarse, machining marks? I do not recall encountering them before.
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  2. minutenrohr Feb 28, 2017

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    Me as well. Never saw it on Longines cases. Russian machine tools from the first world war? for guns or tank tracks?
     
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  3. DirtyDozen12 Thanks, mystery donor! Mar 1, 2017

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  4. minutenrohr Mar 2, 2017

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    Is it an early Longines service-dial? Looks near (but only near - f.i. the "5"s of the minute track) to original...
     
  5. DirtyDozen12 Thanks, mystery donor! Mar 2, 2017

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    @minutenrohr Thank you for providing this information and your thoughts.

    As for the dial, I do not know if it could be a service replacement. But I am confident that it is not original. As you have stated, the minute track has problems. The signature looks imprecise to me, as well.
     
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  6. minutenrohr Mar 4, 2017

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    Concerning the 13ZN black-dialed fake: Seller did not answer but a 10000-bid was cancelled:
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  7. yako54 Mar 5, 2017

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    The black dialled fake 13ZN sold for 15.000 € :eek:
     
  8. heypacha Mar 5, 2017

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    It was below 3000€ 20 minutes before the end of the auction. I presumed the bidders knew/ read this thread/ found out it was a fake.
     
  9. yako54 Mar 6, 2017

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    I wish the winning bidder would read this as well and cancel the deal.
    Sad thing, looks like the watch was only made to deceive and it worked quite well.
     
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  10. TinyClown Mar 10, 2017

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  11. minutenrohr Mar 12, 2017

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  12. DirtyDozen12 Thanks, mystery donor! Mar 12, 2017

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  13. minutenrohr Mar 12, 2017

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    ...good point. In this case type should work a 6,9-7,3 Mio. movement number. But the seller has blurred it to prevent fakes and fraudulent abuse.
    And there is no locking bolt beside the balance - typical for handycrafts.
     
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  14. cchen Mar 12, 2017

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    It seems like Meertz frequently has suspect watches....
     
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  16. minutenrohr Mar 15, 2017

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    ...I cannot find issues on the dial. But, to be sure, one should have a look inside. I think it´s a relatively late dial version (?).
    Nevertheless we have a small gold case with polished lugs and 12,500 euros are not a bargain. Otherwise Mr. Meertz would have sold this one a long time ago...
     
  17. DirtyDozen12 Thanks, mystery donor! Mar 15, 2017

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  18. DirtyDozen12 Thanks, mystery donor! Apr 6, 2017

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    Redial.
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  19. DirtyDozen12 Thanks, mystery donor! Apr 6, 2017

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    Thoughts on this one. The counter hands have been incorrectly switched, which is odd. More odd though is that the chronograph seconds hand appears quite oxidized, the case looks polished, and the dial is essentially spotless. A service replacement dial or...
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  20. cchen Apr 6, 2017

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