13ZN Chronographs Inquiries and Information.

JimJupiter · Nov 20, 2020

hm yes,...thats not very promising tbh. There is also a guy in Israel, but I have just seen of his work in time-only watches. Though the Longines stuff looked good.

https://empress.cc/pages/restoration-dial-refinish

On the one hand its good that we see obvious differences between redial dials and genuine ones, but from a restoring perspective its a shame to see such results.

Radiumpassion · Nov 20, 2020

If you go for a more simple design and not the multicolor/scale
overload you are more likely to get a ok result.

JimJupiter · Nov 20, 2020

That doesnt look to bad. Who made this?

Radiumpassion · Nov 20, 2020

JimJupiter
That doesnt look to bad. Who made this?

Wish I knew, photo is from a sales ad some time ago...

Syrte · Nov 21, 2020

minutenrohr
A 37mm 18k 13ZN sold in an auction at Henry´s (Mutterstadt/Germany)* for 21.350 Euros:

*Name of the City corrected later. Sorry!

For the record this now has made its way to Asia.

JimJupiter · Nov 30, 2020

JimJupiter
Finally I can add something here too and would like to hear what you think. It’s an old mono pusher 13zn with an what looks to be real old redial. Case is 34mm. Checking the serial with Longines is the next step.

Nico

Got my reply from Longines:

"Bezug nehmend auf Ihre Anfrage freuen wir uns, Ihnen die diesbezüglichen Informationen aus den handgeschriebenen Registern von Longines mitteilen zu können.

Die Seriennummer 5'640'254 kennzeichnet ursprünglich einen Armbandchronographen aus Edelstahl mit der Referenz 3871. Er ist mit einem mechanischen Longines-Uhrwerk mit Handaufzug ausgestattet, dem Kaliber 13ZN. Er wurde am 26.6.1940 der Firma Narath in Rechnung gestellt, unserem damaligen Agenten für Deutschland."

Sorry for the "wrong" language. Watch was delivered to Germany in 1940.

Nico

gemstar · Nov 30, 2020

JimJupiter
Thanks, but its allready in my possession. The price allready considered the bad redial and was maybe the price of the movement alone. So no worries. I am planning to give it to Causemann or some other redial expert until a dial pops up (which will be unlikely 😁

Nice watch. I don't think the whole of the watch should be

Hi. Nice watch regardless of the dial . It's a historical timepiece that deserves it's place in time.

gemstar · Dec 21, 2020

Is this a legit auction? 🍿
13zn12 on EBay
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Longines-1...367238?hash=item4227034506:g:or4AAOSwy~Jf4Gj6

w154 · Dec 21, 2020

gemstar
Is this a legit auction? 🍿
13zn12 on EBay
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Longines-1...367238?hash=item4227034506:g:or4AAOSwy~Jf4Gj6

I’d say no...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Decada-de-...=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

gemstar · Dec 21, 2020

I thought so. I just wanted to post a funny this morning...

w154
I’d say no...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Decada-de-1940-Rara-Vintage-Longines-13ZN-Cronografo-centro-contador-de-minutos-Ref-5699-/402495328078?_ul=NI&nma=true&si=XRamZ%2B%2BzOpKzjKJlnZrNmnO3K1s%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Radiumpassion · Dec 22, 2020

A nice little 3504 went unsold at Bokowskis recently.

https://www.bukowskis.com/en/auctio...nes-wristwatch-flyback-chronograph-13zn-34-mm

DirtyDozen12 · Dec 22, 2020

Radiumpassion
A nice little 3504 went unsold at Bokowskis recently.

https://www.bukowskis.com/en/auctio...nes-wristwatch-flyback-chronograph-13zn-34-mm

Thanks for posting it. Nice, indeed. Maybe the estimate was slightly high but I like the watch. Correct crown, hands, evenly worn dial, not overly polished case. I think that the market has softened for examples that are not in mint condition, large (+37 mm), waterproof, or with a special dial (e.g. black).

BlueHands · Dec 22, 2020

This is a correct price for such a correct and lovely watch. I like it much 👍

Radiumpassion · Dec 22, 2020

BlueHands
This is a correct price for such a correct and lovely watch. I like it much 👍

You should have bought it back in 2019 when it sold for 54000 Sek😉

https://online.auktionsverket.se/1903/626583-longines-wristwatch-1930-s/

I knew I had seen that watch before, it`s a small 13ZN world.

Dan S · Dec 22, 2020

Radiumpassion
You should have bought it back in 2019 when it sold for 54000 Sek😉

https://online.auktionsverket.se/1903/626583-longines-wristwatch-1930-s/

I knew I had seen that watch before, it`s a small 13ZN world.

Running in 2019, not running in 2020. Movement still full of rust.

Radiumpassion · Dec 22, 2020

Dan S
Running in 2019, not running in 2020. Movement still full of rust.

Where does it say not running in 2020?

Dan S · Dec 22, 2020

Radiumpassion
Where does it say not running in 2020?

Sorry, I mis-read the listing. 😬

BlueHands · Dec 23, 2020

Radiumpassion
You should have bought it back in 2019 when it sold for 54000 Sek😉

https://online.auktionsverket.se/1903/626583-longines-wristwatch-1930-s/

I knew I had seen that watch before, it`s a small 13ZN world.

Unfortunately the prices just go into one direction - up and up. Not only 13ZN, all more uncommon watches, also the 3-hander with interesting dials or larger sizes. We know that all and can't change it. If that 13ZN had a larger size than 34mm the price surely would have been higher.

dmgreen11 · Dec 27, 2020

Hello all. Always love dropping in on this thread. The 13ZN is, IMHO, the top of the vintage chronograph world, but also one of the most dangerous areas to play. Thoughts on this early 3721 for the French market? Movement, case, hands, etc. all check out. Dial matches the advertisement in the 1937 French Longines catalog. Any issues?

alphabeta81 · Dec 27, 2020

D dmgreen11
Any issues?

Just one issue I have - that I don’t have this in my collection 😀 fabulous 13zn