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  1. DirtyDozen12 Thanks, mystery donor! Feb 27, 2016

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    Well I would have to agree with your watchmaker(s). Most people seem to be more interested in the flyback function than the instantaneous minute recorder. I happen to feel that the flyback is not nearly as impressive. Many simple stopwatches have the same ability.

    If I forced you to choose your favorite Longines chronograph wristwatch movement, could you?
     
  2. minutenrohr Feb 27, 2016

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    I think I´d choose the 13ZN12, although it has no flyback (which is denied by the Hodinkees...):D.

    rgds - h.u.
     
  3. DirtyDozen12 Thanks, mystery donor! Feb 27, 2016

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    A sensible choice, irrespective of "the Hodinkees" (I like this phrase) :thumbsup:.
     
  4. BartH Follows a pattern of overpaying Mar 10, 2016

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    What do the brethren say about this supposedly 1940's 13zn. Italian recase at the very least?

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  5. minutenrohr Mar 10, 2016

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    Hi,

    the case does not belong to the watch. The dial is a redone for 30CH.

    rgds - h.u.
     
  6. BartH Follows a pattern of overpaying Mar 10, 2016

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    Yeah, you'd say refinished? Not a poor job then.
     
  7. minutenrohr Mar 10, 2016

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    ...that´s a matter of taste. I believe, if it takes 3 seconds to get the feeling called "it stinks", a refinishing can´t be so nice.
    To state somethig positive: it´s UNIQUE, because Longines Tachy-Dials (and some other factories) are showing the word "base" on the outer track.
    The subdials are very fanciful, the "Swiss Made" at that place too and - if the appearance isn´t deceiving - the printing is blueish, not black.
    Etc.etc.etc...

    regards - h.u.
     
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  8. aldo Vintage Specialist Watchmaker Mar 10, 2016

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    It's an Italian case, look at BO (Bologna) on the maker stamp.Happened in the 60's , there were Longines and Omega watches imported from Swiss with steel cases, then recased in gold ones made in Italy.
    Agree with other opinions about the dial, too bright compared with movement and hands conditions, so redialled since it is not an original due to graphics.
     
  9. BartH Follows a pattern of overpaying Apr 13, 2016

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    This one is for sale in a local shop. It's a bit smallish with 35mm, but what's with the strangely alligned bolts (?) on the dial edges?


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  10. LouS Mrs Nataf's Other Son Staff Member Apr 13, 2016

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    It's a sandwich dial. The pins hold the outer dial in place
     
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  11. minutenrohr Apr 13, 2016

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    Correct - a sandwich dial with the unusual "very BIG Longines signature", unusual minute/second markers, unusual "wide-space design" around the printed area. I would not say "fake" but it´s surely UNIQUE. The hands could be original, but they don´t fit to the dial because the hour hand should point at the hour markers and the minute hand should not point at the telemeter area.
    Ergo: seems to be assembled by using parts from the spare parts box (in my opinion - I know, it´s boring...)

    rgds - h.u.
     
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  12. aldo Vintage Specialist Watchmaker Apr 13, 2016

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    ...redial....IMHO
     
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  13. minutenrohr Apr 13, 2016

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    Yes, for sure.
     
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  14. DirtyDozen12 Thanks, mystery donor! May 16, 2016

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    I think that the dial below is original but there are a couple of interesting things that I noticed.

    I am intrigued by the encroachment of the 4 into the chronograph minutes subdial. On many 13ZN dials, this is avoided. I imagine that a dial with encroachment would be easier to produce as the engraver would not have to account for the precise interruption of the numerals.

    After inspecting this 13ZN and a number of others, it seems that the 4th wheel arbor and the minute counter wheel arbor are not symmetrically located (with respect to the diameter).
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  15. minutenrohr May 16, 2016

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    ...the more I search...just made this for comparison, and now I see the same dissymmetry.
    Very interesting!

    rgds - h.u.
     
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  16. BartH Follows a pattern of overpaying May 18, 2016

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    Crikey, you're right.

    I'm sitting here in the office measuring dials on my ipad with a ruler. My colleague thinks I've lost my mind.
     
  17. Traveler May 18, 2016

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    This one just got posted up in the Hodinkee shop

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  18. minutenrohr May 18, 2016

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    ...looks like it appeared on the "Hodinkee Photoshop"...
     
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  20. minutenrohr May 21, 2016

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    But, incl. buyers premium, it´s 6,5k. Perhaps a good price, but the watch is 36mm (not nearly 38 as the bigger ones) and golden cases are not as sought after as steel types.

    rgds - h.u.