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  1. Larry S Color Commentator for the Hyperbole. Nov 6, 2017

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    Honestly ..when we see auction houses selling obvious redials openly and without shame, as long as you disclose and set your reserve, let the market determine its worth.
     
  2. minutenrohr Nov 6, 2017

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    ...yes, I think ebay is cheaper. mine has been bought from a regular german watch dealer in munich, was serviced and had a correct receipt etc. - so my buyer knew exactly, what he gets.
     
  3. Mark020 not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawer Nov 7, 2017

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    Speaking of 23086's: the Rolex crowd is on to them as well. Here a insta pic from Andrew Shear. Wonderful example.

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  4. Kerouac Nov 13, 2017

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    @noiseboyuk as you are aware the 13zn-12 "'Doppia Lancetta" is quite rare. Based on my research and what I've heard from other collectors there's an estimated 500 +/- pieces out in the wild. Far fewer have original dials.

    I believe it's fair to say that 80-90% of a watches value is in the dial. This holds true with Longines chronographs, Perhaps even more so because there are so few truly great original examples out there.

    Based on recent results achieved, I've seen the values in the $80-100k on the more well known configuration like the one shared by @Mark020

    I think it is fair to say your watch is worth somewhere around $10k. I would recommend posting it here and potentially even trying ebay or another auction site (I know some may frown at the suggestion to use ebay) but the number of eyeballs ebay generates allows for a very fair value to be achieved, if that is your only goal.
     
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  5. Syrte MWR Tech Support Dept Dec 5, 2017

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    Correct me if I’m wrong but this one sure looks refinished...
     
  6. DirtyDozen12 Thanks, mystery donor! Dec 6, 2017

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    Edges of sub-dials look a bit soft but fonts appear spot on from this distance. Would be nice to see a larger shot of the signature but I vote original. Hands, case, and crown look good too.
     
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  7. Kerouac Dec 10, 2017

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    I agree with DirtyDozen's assessment. Looks like a nice original example. Also, I chatted with the dealer and it sold within a few hours of being listed...good pieces move fast!
     
  8. Syrte MWR Tech Support Dept Dec 10, 2017

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    To me those subdial edges would feel dispositive and I agree a higher resolution picture would be needed, but I’m removing the picture as I don’t want to cast a shadow on the watch if you think it’s legit.
     
  9. Fost Dec 16, 2017

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    I am.a bit confused on this one...
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    What do you think?
     
  10. Seiji Dec 16, 2017

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    Impressive print quality. But does look like the subdials do not have original surface. Bad photo noise reduction? If truly looks like that, I wouldn’t pay original dial prices. Maybe redone by Longines?
     
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  11. minutenrohr Dec 17, 2017

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    Hi,

    I´d say look on the lenght of the minute hand (too short!), the uncommon "Longines" characters (never seen on a 13ZN dial) and the design of the counters (more like the dials past ca. 1944, not matching to a "tachymeter-spiral"), the lack of the word "BASE" in the tachy-scale...

    rgds - h.u.
     
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  12. Fost Dec 17, 2017

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    Thanks guys, that's really helpful!
     
  13. Seiji Dec 17, 2017

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    It isn’t a spiral either. Very odd, first time seeing that. Just concentric circles, not usual Longines. Similar problems, not likely Longines dial here.
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  14. DirtyDozen12 Thanks, mystery donor! Dec 17, 2017

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    This is a redial.
    Also a redial.
     
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  15. Seiji Dec 17, 2017

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    Maybe that was not clear from my short msg. thx

    Caution more with funny USA 12.68z like fonts about.
     
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  16. Seiji Dec 19, 2017

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    Write of which...more bloody chaff. $8000!

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  17. gemstar Dec 19, 2017

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    How do you tell if something is a redial?
    Pending link I'll bet :p Lol
     
  18. DirtyDozen12 Thanks, mystery donor! Dec 19, 2017

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    Familiarize yourself with the nuances of comparable, original dials.
     
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  19. Seiji Dec 19, 2017

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    If subdials on a vintage metal dial on a 1960 and earlier Longines watch are completely flat, it is not in original condition. Skimming a dial to remove the original surface and print was a common method to prepare a dial for reprinting.
     
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  20. gemstar Dec 19, 2017

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    Your right.. Its a detective thing I guess.
    Thanks DirtyDozen