13ZN Chronographs Inquiries and Information.

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Honestly ..when we see auction houses selling obvious redials openly and without shame, as long as you disclose and set your reserve, let the market determine its worth.
 
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I would have said less having seen another redialed sommatore central, a 23086 go for 10 or so, but that was a year ago.

...yes, I think ebay is cheaper. mine has been bought from a regular german watch dealer in munich, was serviced and had a correct receipt etc. - so my buyer knew exactly, what he gets.
 
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Speaking of 23086's: the Rolex crowd is on to them as well. Here a insta pic from Andrew Shear. Wonderful example.

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@noiseboyuk as you are aware the 13zn-12 "'Doppia Lancetta" is quite rare. Based on my research and what I've heard from other collectors there's an estimated 500 +/- pieces out in the wild. Far fewer have original dials.

I believe it's fair to say that 80-90% of a watches value is in the dial. This holds true with Longines chronographs, Perhaps even more so because there are so few truly great original examples out there.

Based on recent results achieved, I've seen the values in the $80-100k on the more well known configuration like the one shared by @Mark020

I think it is fair to say your watch is worth somewhere around $10k. I would recommend posting it here and potentially even trying ebay or another auction site (I know some may frown at the suggestion to use ebay) but the number of eyeballs ebay generates allows for a very fair value to be achieved, if that is your only goal.
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Correct me if I’m wrong but this one sure looks refinished...
 
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Edges of sub-dials look a bit soft but fonts appear spot on from this distance. Would be nice to see a larger shot of the signature but I vote original. Hands, case, and crown look good too.
 
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I agree with DirtyDozen's assessment. Looks like a nice original example. Also, I chatted with the dealer and it sold within a few hours of being listed...good pieces move fast!
 
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Edges of sub-dials look a bit soft but fonts appear spot on from this distance. Would be nice to see a larger shot of the signature but I vote original. Hands, case, and crown look good too.
I agree with DirtyDozen's assessment. Looks like a nice original example. Also, I chatted with the dealer and it sold within a few hours of being listed...good pieces move fast!

To me those subdial edges would feel dispositive and I agree a higher resolution picture would be needed, but I’m removing the picture as I don’t want to cast a shadow on the watch if you think it’s legit.
 
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I am.a bit confused on this one...


What do you think?
 
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Impressive print quality. But does look like the subdials do not have original surface. Bad photo noise reduction? If truly looks like that, I wouldn’t pay original dial prices. Maybe redone by Longines?
 
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Hi,

I´d say look on the lenght of the minute hand (too short!), the uncommon "Longines" characters (never seen on a 13ZN dial) and the design of the counters (more like the dials past ca. 1944, not matching to a "tachymeter-spiral"), the lack of the word "BASE" in the tachy-scale...

rgds - h.u.
 
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It isn’t a spiral either. Very odd, first time seeing that. Just concentric circles, not usual Longines. Similar problems, not likely Longines dial here.
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I am.a bit confused on this one...


What do you think?
This is a redial.
Similar problems, not likely Longines dial here.
Also a redial.
 
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This is a redial.

Also a redial.
Maybe that was not clear from my short msg. thx

Caution more with funny USA 12.68z like fonts about.
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This is a redial.

Also a redial.
How do you tell if something is a redial?
Pending link I'll bet 😜 Lol
 
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How do you tell if something is a redial?
Pending link I'll bet 😜 Lol
Familiarize yourself with the nuances of comparable, original dials.
 
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If subdials on a vintage metal dial on a 1960 and earlier Longines watch are completely flat, it is not in original condition. Skimming a dial to remove the original surface and print was a common method to prepare a dial for reprinting.
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Familiarize yourself with the nuances of comparable, original dials.
Your right.. Its a detective thing I guess.
Thanks DirtyDozen