Your thoughts on this 33.3 in 14kt gold (non Swiss case)

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Hi OF

I'm seeking your advice and comments on another gold chronograph.

I‘m offered this 33.3 in 14kt gold. I‘ve discussed it privately with some very helpful senior members, but wanted to open up the discussions for more opinions and post pictures for posterity.



One obvious topic was whether the dial was original. A concern was raised about the fact that the 15/45 text overlaps into the subdials. I looked at dozens of 33.3 dials over the weekend which was very interesting but challenging at the same time, as no dial seems to exactly match another, the variations are seemingly endless. Indeed it seems more common for any scale text to be either cut off by the sub dials or they are entirely within the subdials.

But I found two examples with overlapping text.
One was posted here on OF by our own @jjen
https://omegaforums.net/threads/omega-33-3.108597/
and one on Catawiki

Based on these two observations, we concluded in the private discussion that the dial of the offered watch is most likely original, but other comments are most welcome. Maybe @michael e and @watchyouwant could chime in?

The dial aside, the watch is not housed in a Swiss case, but it's a local production. I cannot recognize the hallmarks. The seller claims it's from Hungary, but I couldn't find a match online (plus the pictures are very blurred). I know local cases aren't really sought after by collectors which should impact the price.

On the plus side, the movement seems in very good condition. The seller bought from a watchmaker out of his private collection, so he seems to have taken good care of the movement. So less risk of an expensive surprise.

Assuming the dial is correct and taking into account the 14kt (rather than 18kt) local case, is the asking price of CHF 3600 attractive or at least fair? I'm inclined to say yes given steel variants with totally washed out dials change hands for 4k and more.

Many thanks in advance for taking the time to comment.
 
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Dial is original to my eyes.
I don't know about the case, usually a national case (Italian, French) should have a Omega mark somewhere. A legit national case. This looks like a franken watch to my eyes. But I have to admit I'm not an expert of hungarian national cases. So maybe I'm wrong.

But this watch is without extract too. An extract should say that the movement was sent without case in Hungary. Without extract I won't consider this watch.
 
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Thanks for your comment @vujen.

According to this thread, not all local cases are Omega signed depending on location and region:
https://omegaforums.net/threads/14k-gold-omega-from-the-late-40s-need-some-help-with-the-case.71796/

However, it's certainly a matter to investigate further. I need to get hand on a clearer picture of the hallmark, otherwise all is pure speculation.

Dial looks good to me, I too would love to see clearer photos of the hallmarks.
I think the watch is as it was when it was created with the exception of the chrono hand.
Cheers, Michael
 
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Thanks @michael e for sharing your view.

I asked for some more pictures of the hallmarks.



I guess the key for the country of production is the small hallmark in the center of the case back which is still blurry. The other one with the 0.585 mark is sharper now. Does anyone recognize it?
 
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As an update for anyone interested, I got to see the watch and the inside again. I managed to get some clearer pictures of the hallmark. So not Hungary, but former Czechoslovakia.

 
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The case although locally made appears to have the exact shape and proportions of the 2092 case so I wouldn't think this is a frankenwatch - so I concur with Michael - all original apart from chronometre second hand. The question you'd have to decide is if you are bothered by the fact it is not a swiss case. If I liked the watch, and the price is good - this wouldn't bother me as it appears to be well made.

Here's a steel version of the reference I refer:

https://onlineonly.christies.com/s/...-tone-dial-chronograph-ref-ck-2092-365/119266
 
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Many thanks Ollie for your input. Personally, I don't mind a local case. In this instance (not to use the word case), the fact that it was produced in a country that no longer exists in this form makes it even more intriguing. I just have to be cognisant of the fact that most collectors dislike local cases which may affect the resell value if I was forced to let it go. As mentioned above the asking price is CHF 3600, and the seller even offered to sort out the wrong chrono hand. So, now that the case provenance is clarified and the hand will be replaced, I'm rather tempted again.
 
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Many thanks Ollie for your input. Personally, I don't mind a local case. In this instance (not to use the word case), the fact that it was produced in a country that no longer exists in this form makes it even more intriguing. I just have to be cognisant of the fact that most collectors dislike local cases which may affect the resell value if I was forced to let it go. As mentioned above the asking price is CHF 3600, and the seller even offered to sort out the wrong chrono hand. So, now that the case provenance is clarified and the hand will be replaced, I'm rather tempted again.
And the price is very reasonable!

PS. One thing I forgot to note is the crown is most certainly a replacement and the originals are hard to find - ( I’m looking for one myself atm) I think there is a gold tone one on eBay but for an outrageous price.
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As an update, I decided to go for it, and I’m very pleased. Thanks everyone for sharing your opinion. Very much appreciated.