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From their website: "Specially hand-coopered octave or quarter casks for a hugely increased surface area to volume ratio. These tiny 64l vessels result in the liquid yielding maximum richness and depth plus an alluring 100% natural red amber colour." It's kind of weird they do not advertise the natural color on the label.
 
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Sorry about this... I went down the rabbit hole. From what I can find, the original distillery, Benrinnes, does not add color to their product. However, every picture of bottled Benrinnes both younger and older than 14 years is significantly lighter than the bottles of Darkness I've seen. It's possible that the finishing is being done in 2nd fill, still wet, never disassembled PX Sherry Casks. It's much more believable that Darkness, in line with the name of their line and looking for consistency, is adding e150 to the product. Except in Germany, they are not required to disclose this.

I am not knocking the bottler (or any distillery) that uses coloring. Many of the largest distilleries in Scotland use coloring. I know it's very controversial, and some people are adamantly opposed. My concern is purely academic as a hobbyist. I've got 8 - 30 yo scotches on the shelf, and even the oldest are just approaching that level of color.
 
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From their website: "Specially hand-coopered octave or quarter casks for a hugely increased surface area to volume ratio. These tiny 64l vessels result in the liquid yielding maximum richness and depth plus an alluring 100% natural red amber colour." It's kind of weird they do not advertise the natural color on the label.
Generally, around the world, what is on the label is the only thing that matters. What companies say about their product on websites or advertising is a little looser. However, even looking at the label changes because different countries have different labeling requirements. The same bottle of product containing coloring destined for the US would not disclose e150, where the label for that bottle going to Germany would disclose it. The e150 is in both, but the bottler will prepare specific labels for each market.
 
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Interesting contrast. Here is a 25 year old Dalwhinnie. Dalwhinnie is known to use e150; I know for sure it’s in their 15 yo. I don’t know if it is or isn’t in this 25. Either with or without coloring, it’s 11 years older and much lighter.



Here is a 30 yo Bunnahabhain, without e150.



Much lighter.

I’m just saying that the environment in Scotland does not tend to create dark spirits; just amazing ones. The use of color for consistency and to imbue a sense of age and richness isn’t new, isn’t going away, and usually isn’t disclosed.
 
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Had my first try of this a couple nights ago. Highly recommended if you like a wheated bourbon. And a nice price if you can get one for the MSRP
 
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Generally, around the world, what is on the label is the only thing that matters. What companies say about their product on websites or advertising is a little looser. However, even looking at the label changes because different countries have different labeling requirements. The same bottle of product containing coloring destined for the US would not disclose e150, where the label for that bottle going to Germany would disclose it. The e150 is in both, but the bottler will prepare specific labels for each market.

Natural color 12yo from my cabinet. Pretty dark.



Small, wet casks can have a huge impact. And not all E150 dosed whiskies sold in Germany state "coloring added" on the label. Source: I have bought many such bottles from Germany.
 
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Natural color 12yo from my cabinet. Pretty dark.



Small, wet casks can have a huge impact. And not all E150 dosed whiskies sold in Germany state "coloring added" on the label. Source: I have bought many such bottles from Germany.
So like the rest of the world, people do what they want until they get caught. Oh well...

Yes, if they are using small, wet casks for the finishing, it can have a huge impact. Let's just agree to assume that's the case and enjoy the dram instead of fixating on the color. I get drawn down rabbit holes unnecessarily.
 
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enjoy the dram instead of fixating on the color.

Only one person is fixating on the colour...
 
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Only one person is fixating on the colour...
Yup. I can talk to myself if I want to. 😜
 
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After talking about Scotch I started to crave rum 😁 Independent bottlings of rum can be very nice. I would recommend all scotch drinkers to try them out. For example Diamond, Foursquare and Hampden are worth picking up. These used to be very cheap a few years back but premiumization is kicking in hard. And let's not start talking about additives in rum - those are some murky waters 😁

 
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E150 is permissible under Scotch whisky regulations so whether or not it is added is immaterial to me (at this price point!). I suspect there is caramel colouring for that reason.

I could leave the bottle exposed to sunlight for a few days and see if it changes colour rapidly, but I doubt it will last long enough as it is a delicious drop full stop.

In any case, as it is a fun discussion, I emailed Atom Brands to ask. Let’s see if they respond.
 
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I assume it’s in most things. On the whiskey market here in the US, I look for “Straight” [whatever] Whiskey, which doesn’t allow added color, if I’m curious about color or no. I look forward to hearing the answer.

in the meantime, a wee dram of Springbank 12 cask strength for a touch of Campbeltown iodine and burning hospital.
 
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Might have to try this when it comes out...

Oh wow...I will have to find a way to get that to Alabama!
 
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All this talk of drinks is making me thirsty . Had a can of Guinness and bottle of Cider in the fridge looking sad & lonely , so why not mix them up into a nice Black Velvet .
 
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After talking about Scotch I started to crave rum 😁 Independent bottlings of rum can be very nice. I would recommend all scotch drinkers to try them out. For example Diamond, Foursquare and Hampden are worth picking up. These used to be very cheap a few years back but premiumization is kicking in hard. And let's not start talking about additives in rum - those are some murky waters 😁

Lol let’s not go down that rabbit hole esp with Guyana rums. Although I don’t know if you heard but El Dorado claims they are going additive free. The date has not been set yet. As for all the brands out of that distillery who knows.
 
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I’m starting with a love street kolsch, very I’ve cold. It sure what move is next…
 
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On to a local Saizon from odd muse brewing in farmers branch. Pretty good, it’s an Oaked finish which is new to me, but enjoyable.
 
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Nothing special......just an Old Speckled Hen yesterday. Not my usual tipple... but went down rather well... room temperature, not much head... yet very tasty and refreshing. Cheers
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