Would you take the risk starting self studying watchmaking?

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All posts are really interesting, and I thank you all.
My lesson today would be: "don't mess with the watchmakers". :whipped:

Even if the thread changed course, I really gathered most of the information I needed for watchmaking starters.

This is really a great forum!!!

I am also a book man, so I ordered one more book and waiting to start breaking even some Swiss stuff....

The risk of self studying has started and the risk is not on money, is mostly on time and getting my eyes to work again like they did 20 years ago.. I wish I could have more time so I could attend a school, but not here in Greece...
Hopefully I will return in this thread after some months with more experience..

Let's talk about watchmaking starters and not professionalism here. I was the one who started it and I am the one who would also like to finish it.
 
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Yes word "every"is ΠΑΝ in Greece. ΠΑΝ is like God, like everything . ΠΑΝ is the universe, the creation. It's not a simple word in Greek. It is not like a number. When you say "every" in Greek you may imply human relations, feelings, etc..
Yes it's a language barrier my friend. It's not an excuse.

Let's say your above use of "every" (ΠΑΝ) is a hyperbole (υπερβολή), which is a rethorical device of language more akin to mediterranean cultures than to others like, say, 'anglosaxon' or germanic ones, the former being much predominant in this forum. In that sense there could certainly be a bit of a culture (more than language) 'barrier' here.
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Let's say your above use of "every" (ΠΑΝ) is a hyperbole (υπερβολή), which is a rethorical device of language more akin to mediterranean cultures than to others like, say, 'anglosaxon' or germanic ones, the former being much predominant in this forum. In that sense there could certainly be a bit of a culture (more than language) 'barrier' here.
I really could not describe it better !!
Thanks man .
 
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All posts are really interesting, and I thank you all.
My lesson today would be: "don't mess with the watchmakers". :whipped:

Even if the thread changed course, I really gathered most of the information I needed for watchmaking starters.

This is really a great forum!!!

I am also a book man, so I ordered one more book and waiting to start breaking even some Swiss stuff....

The risk of self studying has started and the risk is not on money, is mostly on time and getting my eyes to work again like they did 20 years ago.. I wish I could have more time so I could attend a school, but not here in Greece...
Hopefully I will return in this thread after some months with more experience..

Let's talk about watchmaking starters and not professionalism here. I was the one who started it and I am the one who would also like to finish it.
Good luck & go for it do what you want to do Kargol
knowledge & experience are the main ingredients
I admire your enthusiasm
we all have to start somewhere no matter what it is we are doing
be that for employment that applies to any job or as a hobby...
you never know you may be quite good at it, you'll never know till you give it a try....
good luck with the books these came long before the electronic laptops, computers, & tablets....
bon chance, bon courage my friend.😀 📖 📖 😀
 
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Good luck & go for it do what you want to do Kargol
knowledge & experience are the main ingredients
I admire your enthusiasm
we all have to start somewhere no matter what it is we are doing
be that for employment that applies to any job or as a hobby...
you never know you may be quite good at it, you'll never know till you give it a try....
good luck with the books these came long before the electronic laptops, computers, & tablets....
bon chance, bon courage my friend.😀 📖 📖 😀
Thank you my friend!!
Good to know that this thread may inspire more people to enjoy and don’t hesitate experimenting with things they like. ! Just be careful!!
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I think if you enjoy working on your own watches, then it's up to you. Let's not make a big deal about this, if you screw up then the worst that happens is you miss the train...

I think that as long as you make it clear when you sell such a watch that you have serviced it, then it doesn't matter what you do. Like I've said, just bear in mind that a proper cleaner is circa €5000 so, it is an expensive hobby. You can do it for less but, it all has possible drawbacks. Once you get going, you'll soon be ignoring a few hundred for a single tool...

I remember your 613 issue because we discussed it by mail but that was a very small problem so, keep that in mind and it should have been obvious to the watchmaker. Other issues are more subtle...
You are right, and you have a good memory (or is it that OF have a good "search" option? 😀 )
Enjoy yourself, Chris
 
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I think if you enjoy working on your own watches, then it's up to you. Let's not make a big deal about this, if you screw up then the worst that happens is you miss the train...

I think that as long as you make it clear when you sell such a watch that you have serviced it, then it doesn't matter what you do. Like I've said, just bear in mind that a proper cleaner is circa €5000 so, it is an expensive hobby. You can do it for less but, it all has possible drawbacks. Once you get going, you'll soon be ignoring a few hundred for a single tool...

I remember your 613 issue because we discussed it by mail but that was a very small problem so, keep that in mind and it should have been obvious to the watchmaker. Other issues are more subtle...
Thanks man . Thank you for your encouragement. And yes, when I sell a watch I describe all important things that have happened to it.
 
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Well, if nothing else, this thread convinced me to order a copy of "Theory of Horology". I'll probably never service my watches, but I'm very interested in learning more about how they work! I'm pretty new to OF, but I'm learning alot and happy to be here.
 
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Well, if nothing else, this thread convinced me to order a copy of "Theory of Horology". I'll probably never service my watches, but I'm very interested in learning more about how they work!
Is it allowed to send me price here? I tried to find it also but it seemed pretty expensive for me just to start reading theory... (I am sorry for this statement dear watchmakers... )
 
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Is it allowed to send me price here? I tried to find it also but it seemed pretty expensive for me just to start reading theory... (I am sorry for this statement dear watchmakers... )
$132 shipped to USA. Yeah, not cheap but my interest in watches and the hobby has grown enough where it's worth it to me. FYI, this book is not currently available on Amazon.
 
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Is it allowed to send me price here? I tried to find it also but it seemed pretty expensive for me just to start reading theory... (I am sorry for this statement dear watchmakers... )

Sometimes it would be more discreet to send a PM, don't you think?
 
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$132 shipped to USA. Yeah, not cheap but my interest in watches and the hobby has grown enough where it's worth it to me. FYI, this book is not currently available on Amazon.
It will surely be in my list . Just want to practice at the moment . I am more of an engineer than a theory man
 
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Sometimes it would just be better to send a PM, don't you think?
I am sorry Dan. I got excited that my thread inspired some people to read it, reply, and also spend money. I already bought two books for entry watchmaking and I love it
 
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The ignorance of non experts like me and kargoi can be frustrating at times especially when we do not understand the subject as well.
But it is ignorance and not attitude.
Thank you for everyone's support on this forum.
 
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I tinker around with watches. I can do basic stuff, I have also made parts. I don't know how to repair or service watches. In every endeavour in life, one needs to know where your skills stop and someone else's take over.

I use 8 different "watchmakers". 4 are watch repairers of various levels and 4 are watchmakers who can make most parts.

I generally have 40 watches serviced per year, I have never nor would I ever ask for a discount
 
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Without getting into the weeds I'll throw my opinion in.

It very much depends on your end goal. I would want any person I send my watch to for service to be educated, and/or have apprenticed with many years experience and references.

On the other hand, I have a strong internal motivation to make things work and understand how they do. So, I decided to get tools, oils, greases, cleaners, a bench, etc and teach myself to COA a basic watch for myself. I don't mess with anyone else's stuff and always buy 3 parts. One to break/loose/etc, one to fix the watch, and one for next time. Not always cost effective, but its not about saving money for me.

It's appealing to me to buy a watch that 'just winds and winds', do a COA and replace mainspring and feel like I breathed new life into the watch.

I'm glad I dove in, it's something I enjoy. My advice, start with decen quality pocketwatches that already run. Take them apart, put them back together so they run like they did before. Once you get comfortable start reading up on cleaning, oiling, and adjusting.
 
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It seems I kicked up some controversy when I mentioned my watch maker gives me discounts on occasion and asked someone here if they did the same. Just to clarify I never asked for and wouldn’t have asked for a discount. I had dropped something of for service and as always he called me with a quote before doing the job. It was substantially under what I normally pay and I got confused and reminded him I wanted a full service. He just laughed and said you are good. Since then he has done it a couple other times. He has been a watchmaker for forty years and seems to be pretty busy. So I just wanted to clear that up didn’t mean to get anyone worked out. I did feel like asking for a discount on a low quality strap I bought from them once but I hit my tongue
 
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Start here:

https://watchprint.com/en/technical-insights/356-the-theory-of-horology.html

This is the standard textbook used in watchmaking schools. It is NOT a watch repair book, but just as the title suggests, talks about theory and how the various parts of a watch work.

Cheers, Al

Was really looking forward to Archer's response. I think a lot of us dive into our passions way deeper than the rest and I can't seem to get enough information as I learn and grow in the hobby. I'm sure this text will be super interesting even if I never do more than open a case back.
 
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Was really looking forward to Archer's response. I think a lot of us dive into our passions way deeper than the rest and I can't seem to get enough information as I learn and grow in the hobby. I'm sure this text will be super interesting even if I never do more than open a case back.

Well, it is a textbook...so as they tend to be, it's not exactly riveting reading...and there is math involved,. so fair warning to anyone who may be math averse.