Would you take the risk starting self studying watchmaking?

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I see your point. However I give my watchmaker at least 3 different watches per month for a full service. I didn’t say to give discounts to anyone who brings one two watches per year. I said to “regulars” . Regulars are customers who spend almost a months workers wage . So, it’s like a steady income for a WM .
I’m always very patient as well. I have no problem waiting when just about every watch he has done for me tracks my iPhone time quite closely. I really never expected a discount but he started doing it the last few times I dealt with him. It’s very nice to know your business is appreciated. I would stick with him regardless but it’s a good thing.
 
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I think every WM should offer a kind of discount to his regular clients. this is if he wants to be called professional. And this goes to all professions... even mine. I do it all the time.

I think every customer who suggests that every watchmaker should give discounts for regulars, should pay double what the other customers pay.
 
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I think every customer who suggests that every watchmaker should give discounts for regulars, should pay double what the other customers pay.
Hahaha you got me good!
 
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You should be a health service provider, like my wife. Many seem to think she should work for free.🙄
 
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Do you give regular customers price breaks. My guy has really been discounting the work he does for me. I’ve also sent him a couple people which I’m sure helps
I try to look after my customers as best as I can. There is so much work out there that I don't need to but I feel it's only fair. Many people keep coming back that I feel I owe them some benefit.

What your chosen watchmaker does for you is up to him/her. Some people discount the first service to "get you in" but it's not my business model.

Best Regards, Chris
 
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It's obviously a two-way street. I'm quite happy that my watchmaker does excellent work and treats me fairly by charging for the work he does on a particular watch, and I've never questioned the amount. I don't think he gives me a discount per se, but occasionally the charge will be lower than usual, and if I ask him why, he will say that the watch was in excellent condition and the job was easy and fast for him. If he does a lot of work for me in a given year, instead of asking for a discount, I give him a nice gift card during the holidays to show my appreciation, and that seems to make him happy. 👍

A collector needs a good relationship with a watchmaker (or more than one watchmaker), and that relationship should be cultivated like any other.
 
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It's obviously a two-way street. I'm quite happy that my watchmaker does excellent work and treats me fairly by charging for the work he does on a particular watch, and I've never questioned the amount. I don't think he gives me a discount per se, but occasionally the charge will be lower than usual, and if I ask him why, he will say that the watch was in excellent condition and the job was easy and fast for him. If he does a lot of work for me in a given year, instead of asking for a discount, I give him a nice gift card during the holidays to show my appreciation, and that seems to make him happy. 👍

A collector needs a good relationship with a watchmaker (or more than one watchmaker), and that relationship should be cultivated like any other.
Totally agree. But what happens to “friends with benefits”? ::psy::
 
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I try to look after my customers as best as I can. There is so much work out there that I don't need to but I feel it's only fair. Many people keep coming back that I feel I owe them some benefit.

What your chosen watchmaker does for you is up to him/her. Some people discount the first service to "get you in" but it's not my business model.

Best Regards, Chris
Nice spirit. One of my previous employers said to me: “never buy the drinks to your friends. They must always pay for what they order. If you want to show your appreciation you make a surprise buy buying them one last round”
 
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Make that triple...
Double is simple love, triple and more is Marxism. From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs... ::facepalm1::
 
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Totally agree. But what happens to “friends with benefits”? ::psy::

Not exactly sure where you are going with that, but there is nothing wrong with friendship. There are various people in my life that I count as friends, where the relationship started as purely business. If that relationship continues for years, and there is a personal affinity, why wouldn't you become friends. With respect to my watchmaker, we have lunch now and then, he will occasionally ask me for a favor, and we send each other photos of interesting watches that we encounter.
 
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Not exactly sure where you are going with that, but there is nothing wrong with friendship. There are various people in my life that I count as friends, where the relationship started as purely business. If that relationship continues for years, and there is a personal affinity, why wouldn't you become friends. With respect to my watchmaker, we have lunch now and then, he will occasionally ask me for a favor, and we send each other photos of interesting watches that we encounter.
I was just joking. In Greece we always try to smooth an intense conversation with black humor like this. I am sorry again if I got misunderstood
 
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It's obviously a two-way street.

It is. My side of the deal is to service the watch properly, accommodate special requests, give advice when asked, etc. The customers side is to pay what I charge. If they don’t want to, I hold no I’ll will. I’m not forcing anyone to use my services and if they think I’m charging too much, that’s up to them.

A collector needs a good relationship with a watchmaker (or more than one watchmaker), and that relationship should be cultivated like any other.

One sure way of souring that relationship is to tell the watchmaker you work with how to run their business. Some in this thread don’t seem to understand that.
 
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Double is simple love, triple and more is Marxism. From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs... ::facepalm1::

If I recall the watchmaker you work with gave up on a watch you had given him to service recently. He also makes you go look for parts for him from what I remember. If I were you I would be asking for a discount as well, or maybe finding someone who might not discount, but actually does the job.
 
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If I recall the watchmaker you work with gave up on a watch you had given him to service recently. He also makes you go look for parts for him from what I remember. If I were you I would be asking for a discount as well, or maybe finding someone who might not discount, but actually does the job.
Yes! You have a good memory. All the watchmakers in this world are not like you. If he was like you I would not only ask for a discount, I would ask for a full refund. However he is not like you... I will never expect him to be as good as you or as (I don't know who may is) any other participating in this thread that is a famous WM.
Also everyone runs their business as they like. I am not talking about specific members of this forum that are well established and famous watchmakers. Nobody has to defend himself or his business on how he runs it. I am not also pushing anyone to give discounts.. My thoughts were based on my profession. I run a hospitality business. Well, I don't give the same price to people who come to my hotel 2-3 times a year as I do with people that come once every 5 years. I also give different prices to customers who became good friends for a reason or without reason. I agree with you that a profession is a profession. However sometimes we become romantic... And then magic happens... This is human life.. I don't know if you understand me... But that's how I see it and I thought that its a good way to run a business based also on feelings. Maybe I am wrong..

To return to the subject, as I said before, I have never asked my WM for a discount. these things come by their own. My watchmaker one day just told me :"from now on, you will pay less". It was a nice gesture. I appreciated and continued with him. My watches run flawlessly except if there is a problem like the posts I made. I could, of course send the watch abroad, I could also send it to the capital of my country Athens.. to tell you the truth I think my WM is the best here. If I did want to have a good WM, I would send all my watches abroad, but then I would be a much angrier and more demanding customer...

Again all the above I hope is understood.. Tried everything to keep the spirits calmed here, but every hour that I turn on my computer I see posts blaming me, implying that I am always wrong.
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Also everyone runs their business as they like. I am not talking about specific members of this forum that are well established and famous watchmakers. Nobody has to defend himself or his business on how he runs it. I am not also pushing anyone to give discounts.

I know you keep saying there is a language barrier, and that in Greece people say things in a specific way. Okay I can accept that, but what you just wrote appears to directly contradict what you wrote previously. Unless the word “every” means something very different in Greece than it does in the rest of the world...

It’s not about being well established on forums...it’s about running a business that pays the bills. There are plenty of watchmakers out there who are quite honestly not very good at running a business. These are two very different skills and they don’t tell you how torun a business in watchmaking school.

Watch collecting is a hobby for most people here. Watchmaking is how I earn my living. Sometimes people don’t always separate the two very well.

I think every WM should offer a kind of discount to his regular clients. this is if he wants to be called professional. And this goes to all professions... even mine. I do it all the time.
 
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I know you keep saying there is a language barrier, and that in Greece people say things in a specific way. Okay I can accept that, but what you just wrote appears to directly contradict what you wrote previously. Unless the word “every” means something very different in Greece than it does in the rest of the world...

It’s not about being well established on forums...it’s about running a business that pays the bills. There are plenty of watchmakers out there who are quite honestly not very good at running a business. These are two very different skills and they don’t tell you how torun a business in watchmaking school.

Watch collecting is a hobby for most people here. Watchmaking is how I earn my living. Sometimes people don’t always separate the two very well.
Yes word "every"is ΠΑΝ in Greece. ΠΑΝ is like God, like everything . ΠΑΝ is the universe, the creation. It's not a simple word in Greek. It is not like a number. When you say "every" in Greek you may imply human relations, feelings, etc..
Yes it's a language barrier my friend. It's not an excuse.
 
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Yes word "every"is ΠΑΝ in Greece. ΠΑΝ is like God, like everything . ΠΑΝ is the universe, the creation. It's not a simple word in Greek. It is not like a number. When you say "every" in Greek you may imply human relations, feelings, etc..
Yes it's a language barrier my friend. It's not an excuse.

So every means not every...got it.
 
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So every means not every...got it.


Come on man... Smile ! 😀 Life should be more entertaining.

Every means every. There are always exceptions to every. Like there is always an exception to every rule.

I admit that I am wrong. I admit that I am also sometimes really into philosophy.. and this is just an excuse. I wrote "every" but I really not meant "every".
However I really think that you understand me . There's a love-hate relationship between us which is better than love-love or hate -hate. the most interesting relationship...

Thanks man!
 
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Yikes. The man is entitled to want a discount for a quantity of business from his watchmaker just as any of us might expect to be financially rewarded for returning to the same Chevy dealer time and again. The watchmaker is entitled to say, "I have too much work to discount for anyone." Both are fair expectations.

I agree completely. What I don’t agree with is the notion that failing to give regular customers discounts somehow calls into question how professional a watchmaker might be.