Forums Latest Members

Worst discoveries inside a vintage watch

  1. noless Oct 9, 2022

    Posts
    328
    Likes
    612
    I have been cutting my teeth on various vintage watches as I learn my way around watchmaking. I thought it might be fun to share some of the more 'interesting' discoveries left by a previous watchmaker.

    While I of course have been responsible for a few accidental slips and scratches into the odd movement, I do try my best to learn what best practice is, and try and follow it.

    I'll kick it off with this artistic mainspring sculpture.
     
    20221010_011912.JPG
    kaplan, Caliber561, Deafboy and 3 others like this.
  2. Canuck Oct 9, 2022

    Posts
    13,475
    Likes
    38,001
    This was not the result of watchmaker slip-up. But it was a discovery that startled me. The owner told me the watch was erratic, and had no power reserve. I suspected a broken mainspring, but THIS!

    5223C8D0-F4BF-4358-A4A5-C7897F716542.jpeg CB51F07D-E922-41B0-999D-993F828DE3D2.jpeg 68762546-D291-4009-A26B-1BF4B2C9934F.jpeg D5259A86-1650-4A6D-8C64-64CAF3AFB7E3.jpeg
     
    teome, kaplan, Larry S and 16 others like this.
  3. sxl2004 Oct 9, 2022

    Posts
    2,317
    Likes
    6,069
    The pape clip replacing a spring in a 321 movement bought from a prominent dealer.
    Search the forum.
    Ingenious watchmaking :confused:
     
    Edited Oct 9, 2022
    Foo2rama, DaveK, Caliber561 and 6 others like this.
  4. lejaune Oct 9, 2022

    Posts
    120
    Likes
    127
    I am curious of how this might have happened. I suspect some chain reaction took place within the barrel that was triggered by a single point of failure of this unbreakable mainspring.
     
  5. JwRosenthal Oct 9, 2022

    Posts
    14,921
    Likes
    40,269
    Seller used a whole can of WD40 trying to get the watch working- I knew the smell the second I opened the case back

    E0443C46-D682-4A9E-98A1-3CFD7399E668.jpeg 3D6AC7D6-7279-4BBD-A0DC-D7F3144E5B36.jpeg D6904DEE-628F-453F-A9ED-B92D39947FE1.jpeg
     
    kaplan, Ohmeguh, DaveK and 4 others like this.
  6. grokas Oct 9, 2022

    Posts
    199
    Likes
    2,182
    My watchmaker told me that the hour hand is glued probably with instant glue. Nevertheless the glued hand has survived two services and still going strong.
     
    IMG_20221006_190902.jpg
    teome and noelekal like this.
  7. Canuck Oct 9, 2022

    Posts
    13,475
    Likes
    38,001
    The watch was brought to me, keeping terrible time, and with negligible power reserve. It is (clearly) an automatic, so it was difficult to diagnose a broken mainspring since winding manually didn’t really give an indication. But my suspicion was a broken mainspring, based on what the owner told me. This is what I saw when I opened the barrel. I leave it to you to speculate as to how this could happen! I have seen steel mainsprings disintegrate like this one did, but newer an alloy spring.
     
  8. red0vitis Oct 9, 2022

    Posts
    10
    Likes
    47
    Worked on a watch with a celluloid crystal once. The damage these can do is eye watering.
    20211218_210623.jpg

    The 17j watch had been converted to 16j. An intrepid watchmaker who drilled out the setting, instead of fitting a new jewel, used a bushing not steel or even brass, but some type of pot metal like solder. I replaced with a jewel from a scrapper.

    20221009_135326.jpg
     
  9. Mafkees Oct 9, 2022

    Posts
    713
    Likes
    2,624
    My worst find was probably an unexpectedly rusted shut 1940s Eterna bumper, without a bumper. It was listed as ‘not running’. No shit.
    image.jpg
     
    mcemeren and JwRosenthal like this.
  10. JwRosenthal Oct 9, 2022

    Posts
    14,921
    Likes
    40,269
    I bought a Gruen bumper in an antique store for $35 that was very pretty and ran. Discovered later that the entire bumper assembly was missing! $75 later for a parts watch, a $200 service and an $85 Horween strap and my $35 bargain watch was not such a bargain anymore.
     
  11. Mafkees Oct 9, 2022

    Posts
    713
    Likes
    2,624
    I get your point but this one’s on you :D
    I do love me some Horween though.
     
  12. dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Oct 9, 2022

    Posts
    26,970
    Likes
    32,673
    There was a dude who used to be a member who had a Speedmaster 321 fixed with a paper-clip once. Its one thing to find a Speedy with. A paper clip in it but to be the one who added it is a bit sad.
     
    JwRosenthal likes this.
  13. JwRosenthal Oct 9, 2022

    Posts
    14,921
    Likes
    40,269
    Someone should start a thread of straps worth more than the watches on which they live.
     
  14. sheepdoll Oct 9, 2022

    Posts
    1,812
    Likes
    2,996
    The old trade magazines had a lot of 'letters.' speculating why springs do that. Many held on the old blue springs it was caused by lightning or electrical discharge. In theory the white alloys should not fail that way. But they do which added more mystery to the letter writers in the old trades.
    A few times I have taken apart a watch only to find no mainspring at all. One was a watch I remember taking apart when little. How I got it back together without the spring is a mystery. I have had other watches with vanished mainsprings. These often have bent teeth, so I guess they were put back together to keep all the parts in place until the new spring arrives.
    When I was working with early computers, I had a floppy disk drive which would not read the whole disk. On opening it up I found there was a little Lego man inside. How they got that inside, I will never know. One would find all sorts of strange things. An Apple ][ came in with a dead shorted mother board. Must have been 10USD$ in loose quarters under it. The kid thought one had to put a coin in the ventilation slot to play games.
    When I worked for the piano movers, they would talk about the strange things found in pianos. Usually caches of gold coins. As this was a favorite place to hide things. Sometimes one might also find the family silver. Bit hard to hide such things inside a watch though.
    Mostly one is likely to find maker/service marks under bridges. Notes left for future watchmakers etc ...

    -j
     
  15. Archer Omega Qualified Watchmaker Oct 9, 2022

    Posts
    26,456
    Likes
    65,585
    Hydrogen embrittlement...that would be my guess...
     
  16. NT931 Oct 9, 2022

    Posts
    2,821
    Likes
    14,424
    Scooterino36 likes this.
  17. sheepdoll Oct 9, 2022

    Posts
    1,812
    Likes
    2,996
    About 20 years ago the oil industry was all ready to convert to the new Hydogen economy. Most wells produce a lot of H2 as a byproduct. Then someone mentioned Hydrogen embrittlement...

    I would think that spring barrels would be more likely to collect radon gas. Curiously I looked up the radium/radon decay and eventually it becomes lead.
     
  18. sheepdoll Oct 9, 2022

    Posts
    1,812
    Likes
    2,996
    DaveK, Eve, connieseamaster and 2 others like this.
  19. Dan S Oct 9, 2022

    Posts
    18,798
    Likes
    43,238
    We have taken a break from a focus on hydrogen, but it's likely to have a huge role in future energy storage. In fact, the first DOE "Earthshot" involves hydrogen.
    https://www.energy.gov/eere/fuelcells/hydrogen-shot
    Screen Shot 2022-10-09 at 7.15.54 PM.png
     
  20. bananapeanut Oct 9, 2022

    Posts
    645
    Likes
    719
    I swear I could smell it just by looking at the pics
     
    JwRosenthal likes this.