With increased local armed robberies, I’m no longer wearing Rolexes

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The SF incident had nothing to do with targeting a Rolex watch and everything to do with targeting the wearer. It was known he would be there, he was the target along with whatever he had with him. If he was an AP guy we would be hearing about an AP theft. If he didn’t wear a watch it would be his chains, car or whatever.

Big difference between this and random street crime.
 
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It was known he would be there, he was the target along with whatever he had with him.
Not sure I agree with that statement. Rolex watches are a public statement of wealth and easy pickings for both sophisticated and unsophisticated criminals.


I believe that kid knew exactly what a Rolex looked like and would have no clue about an Omega, AP or any other fine watch. It’s the dark side of being one of the best marketed products on Earth.

If Ricky Pearsall was wearing a black rubber Casio G-shock, or no watch at all, I highly doubt this incident would have happened. That kid would have targeted the next unfortunate tourist wearing a gold Rolex, who likely would have turned it over without a fight.

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Here in Germany the robbers don't need a gun, one guy holds your arm and the other takes off your watch.
But I have no problem wearing two vintage Omegas on my wrists (att.) anywhere, but never a Rolex (I own none).

I translated this from German newspaper 'Bild':
"Munich – A serious blow to the gang of watch robbers on scooters! For weeks, a group of unknown perpetrators has kept the Munich police on their toes. The gangsters have specialized in ripping high-quality watches from the wrists of their victims and escaping on a scooter."

Greetings Konrad
 
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Not long ago in the city of Düsseldorf near some luxury stores (Wempe, Bucherer, Cartier, Breguet...) two young men came too near to me 'papa, you lost something...'
I screamed loud: 'get away from me' and I even made photos of the guys, so they got angry, but a few business men nearby let the boys stop.
I made an announcement at the police online, a while later they asked for the photos. Again a few months later the police gave me a note, they got the joungsters, by names, but they had to let them go, as they are below 14 so cannot be accused.
I never believe this age, but I would not show you my photos here, not to be identified...
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If Ricky Pearsall was wearing a black rubber Casio G-shock, or no watch at all, I highly doubt this incident would have happened. That kid would have targeted the next unfortunate tourist wearing a gold Rolex, who likely would have turned it over without a fight.

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If that kid was there randomly, I agree with you 100%. But this was a scheduled appearance, publicly announced time and location. If he would have been wearing a gshock they would have taken something else. They know a rookie pro will have bling.
 
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If that kid was there randomly, I agree with you 100%. But this was a scheduled appearance, publicly announced time and location. If he would have been wearing a gshock they would have taken something else. They know a rookie pro will have bling.
If so, then shame on the organizers of the appearance, as they obviously did not have appropriate security.


Usually the teams vet security arrangements before they will allow a player to attend such an event. Players have clauses in their contracts requiring this. Maybe the 49ers blew it too.

That’s why I jumped to the conclusion that while he may have been on the way to event, he had not yet arrived and this was a random targeting based on visible bling.

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I figure the facepalm one is the most likely to be used to annoy people
I think it quite the opposite. Facepalm seems to be one of the more often used emojis here. Perhaps though with explanatory text. So far I have not seen anything that warrants it. I do not see it as annoying. More just a statement of one's feeling.

I used sad above for the first time. There does seem to be an over sensitivity to some feedback. When I was little the Bambi quote "If you can not say anything nice, don't say it." Seems to be the what the older generation did.

This thread, which I keep saying I will not bother to read and do from time to time, Does imply anger at things beyond one's control. When though is it anger at the poster and when at the subject is hard to say. This one clearly seems to be anger at the subject.

I live around 20 to 30 miles (40km) from downtown SF. So it is easy to see a local attack from such reports. That the suspect is from Tracy just shows how easy it is for people to get about in this area. Tracy is close to Modesto where American Graffiti was set, and in ways the inspiration for Mos Eisely in Star wars. The tough place were one could get shot if someone did not like the look of your face, or where you are from.

I do think that future generations will romanticize such people the way Highwaymen and Pirates are romanticized. How then does some of this not imply the shoot first attitudes of the wild west culture? Dirty Harry or the Streets of San Francisco?

The celebratory culture (of the gladiator) is also at play here in this latest indecent. While we may not be as bloodthirsty as the Romans were (Our fantasy cinema would suggest otherwise) We still do reward physicality with fame and fortune.

I personally am looking forward to seeing the facepalm used in replies.
 
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This thread...does imply anger at things beyond one's control. When though is it anger at the poster and when at the subject is hard to say. This one clearly seems to be anger at the subject.

...I personally am looking forward to seeing the facepalm used in replies.
Sorry, your post is not facepalm worthy. 😁

You're so right about the anger that this subject raises. Every theft is infuriating.
 
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Well our corrupt Prosecutors, Representatives in Government, and Feckless Judges are to blame for not adequately punishing the offenders. The only solution is for the people to do something about that. I assume that I will have to leave that detail for the imagination. Giving our right to enjoy life to the criminal element only breeds more and more of the same.
 
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The coppers are probably too busy filling out all the pointless paper work required by the senior brass, to do any actual policing.......all those occupational health and safety reports that no one will ever read won't write themselves!
 
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Robert Heinlein: “Well, in the first place an armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.”
This is a quote from a science fiction novel about a utopian society and, in my opinion, taken very much out of context. Heinlein was saying that peace at the end of the barrel of a gun isn’t really peace at all. If the current state of affairs in the United States demonstrates anything, it is this: being the most armed nation per capita on Earth has done very little to deter violent crime. In fact, if one considers the number of mass shootings and gun deaths that occur in the U.S. with astonishing regularity, you can make a convincing argument that the number of guns in private hands has been a major contributing factor to the surge in violence in the U.S.

Kind of a funny thread bump here because I was searching for something unrelated, but both of these takes are not exactly correct. Heinlein's full quote is:

Well, in the first place an armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. For me, politeness is sine qua non of civilization. That's a personal evaluation only. But gunfighting has a strong biological use. We do not have enough things that kill off the weak and the stupid these days. But to stay alive as an armed citizen a man has to be either quick with his wits or with his hands, preferably both. It's a good thing."
-Robert Heinlein, Beyond This Horizon, 1942 (character Mordan Claude)

The book is a "post utopia" work- that is, it explores and is skeptical to the issues that might crop up if a society actually becomes a utopia (which is essentially is). Humans have been genetically engineered for many generations- lifespans have been fantastically increased, disease is minimal, most people don't want for much- natural selection via environmental and other natural factors has effectively gone to zero. In a world with long lifespans free of early accidental death, politeness has become essential (sine qua non), and dueling is a way in which this culture enforces polite behavior and introduces some element of risk.

Heinlein is effectively saying that sometimes politeness must be enforced by violence (or the awareness that violence can occur as a result of impoliteness- which is why the line "an armed man need not fight" is in the text here), because (to paraphrase a portion of the conversation on the rest of the page) 'human institutions are sloppy because we're essentially all monkeys.' I'm including the rest of the page, because this quote occurs within a long conversation between two characters discussing another character that will be involved in an upcoming duel he will almost certainly lose if it is carried out with firearms. That should be important to the reader- because while violence may be essential, in this case the characters are trying to figure out another avenue for the duel (and end up deciding they can probably make a case for a fistfight).

Heinlein loved to explore how societies could be organized- Starship Troopers is well-known by many as exploring a sort of "Utopian fascist state," but throughout almost all of his work there is a message that politeness is an essential condition to society- and that should really be the takeaway from this quote- politeness is sine qua non of civilization. What's amusing (and often missed) is that during this era of writing science-fiction, many of these "books" were adapted from magazines, and ~150 pages was pretty normal- enough to explore a handful of ideas and how they would impact society. Ironically While everyone in Beyond This Horizon is armed, within the framework of the world Heinlein builds in Starship Troopers only registered citizens can vote or own firearms.... so taking these quotes out of context or ignoring that many of these works were originally written as magazines to explore specific ideas or social issues of the time, well, is of dubious nature. I mean, for starters we don't live in a world where most people treat politeness as essential. I honestly wonder what Heinlein would have made of the internet and the impact it has had on how we engage and treat one another socially.

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@ErichPryde You raise a fascinating question about how Heinlein might view the internet. In Beyond This Horizon, he imagined a society where carrying a weapon and being ready to duel effectively enforced civility. By contrast, many corners of today’s internet grant anonymity, which can remove direct repercussions for rudeness. That said, not everyone online is impolite, and the internet also fosters community and connection in ways Heinlein never could have anticipated. Still, if he believed politeness was the “sine qua non of civilization” and that consequences were key to ensuring it, he might view certain aspects of our digital world as a step backward—one where social norms aren’t as strictly upheld because the stakes are no longer immediate or personal.
 
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Surely the message it sends depends on the cat?

This is mine.

This is surely the omegaforums equivalent to "shots fired" 😜😉
 
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I notice that this community chooses to respond to impoliteness with cat pictures, such as when (ex)member Davey was in full flight.
https://omegaforums.net/threads/speedy-3861-weirdness-buyer-beware.180311/page-11#post-2445616
I was impressed by how effective a strategy cat pictures were, and surely more civilised than dueling. Now, if only we could deal with watch thieves as effectively.
Brilliant! you've just in inadvertently come up with the ultimate deterrent to watch crime....
Nobody would steal these!
The only way that I can think of improving this concept is for the cat to be depicted wearing a Rolex crown!
 
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I think he's saying, "Do ya feel lucky punk?"

Actually that is pretty spot on. She has quite a temper. I get scratches almost daily