Will the DSOTM ever become a classic? How do you see its value evolving?

meganfox17 · Feb 17, 2016

Guys. , Let's focussed on the Merits & Demerits of DSoTM.
We owe it to our Omega forum readers !

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Riviera Paradise · Feb 17, 2016

Taddyangle
I think Omega diluted this watch when they continued with all their releases on the various color schemes. I would love to own a GS or BS (even the titanium coaxial speedy) as these are all watches I really like.

On several occasions I wanted to pull the trigger on a titanium speedy. Instead I bought an Ed White.

I will ador the titanium speedy from a distance.

Taddyangle I agree with your comment to a certain extent👍, but to repeat a previous post of mine on another thread, I think the main issue here is not whether they should extend the DSOTM range to complimentary variations such as the Grey Side and Vintage Black (two gorgeous versions, but unfortunately I can´t pull off 44.5 Speedys🙁, just tried one again two days ago at my Omega boutique)....I think the main issue was the "deluge" of versions simultaneously released at Basel 2015.

Omega could have shown more restraint and released only one or at most two variants per Basel show for the coming years...The "Big Bang" release at Basel 2015 diluted the launch focus on each individual version, diluted the speedmaster brand, and I am pretty sure will result in a loss of total accumulated sales potential over a five year period when compared to a trickle down slow release strategy (something Omega still need to learn from Rolex branding). Hopefully the gorgeous new Metas certified moonphase release will be only one of two (at most) 44.5 Speedy releases at Basel 2016. Cheers.

karalhoin · Feb 17, 2016

Chill out people. 😀

I gathered some points from this, guess most people agree on them.

- The DSOTM is not an "investment" in the sense that it is unlikely to go up in value anytime soon due to the large amount of units being produced, and multiple variations. (I am not looking for this anyway)
- Depreciation is not very clear, but I'd be looking at -25% immediately as I open the package, if bought from a grey dealer. So getting it today for 8000 Eur might mean selling it for 6000 in the used market a week later.
- After taking that hit,, its price used will probably remain stable for a long time, if Omega does not change retail prices and assuming the watch is in good state (something that ceramic might help with, but it is not guaranteed). So perhaps in 5 years it would still be worth the same 6000.
- The ceramic type used, how it was used and a few other interesting aspects like also having a ceramic/titanium deployment clasp make it a bit of a first, but that alone does not mean it can stand out in 10 years and retain value, especially if there are tons of them in the market and in fairly good shape (unscratched boxes, etc).

This was good food for thought. Guess no one can predict the future and how much the DSOTM pricing will evolve, but there is some consensus on the most likely path.

This thread was just about understanding how much it will depreciate and how fast, as I won't see the watch as an "investment" but I will definitely see it as something than can be converted to money if for some unlikely reason that is necessary. I could live with a -30% hit if I had to flip it after a couple of years, but most likely that money will not be recovered as I'd probably keep it.

On a more practical note, I still have to go to an AD to see this watch, because the photos do not seem to show aspects I hear about (like how the dial changes color with angles, the textures, etc). I'm also concerned about the 44.25 size since I have skinny wrists, as well as the thickness. Maybe the black color and short curved lugs will cancel that however.

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Riviera Paradise · Feb 17, 2016

meganfox17
Dear BillyBlue
Oh Come on Billyblue !! What are You Waiting For ? I have a feeling Folks in the forum are gonna start talking about controversial Smart Watches vs Mechanical Timepieces created by Master Watchmakers over centuries becoming Obsolete in the Future !! What High Tech Stuff are in store for Us ? Are You So Sure People are going to Dig them ? Will new Technologies be beyond the reach of middle income people like me ?
Wait ! I Must really Wait ? Why must i reject the advances of Beautiful Charming Handsome Dashing Timepiece when it is whispering Sweet Nothings into my ear ? Should i say Sorry & Say to Him
"i like You but i'm waiting for that SomeOne very Special ? " You forget Ladies Have Biological Clocks ..ticking for a Limited Time only !
What if I Die tomorrow ? ANYONE SEEN the movie " FINAL DESTINATION 5 " ?
Billy blue is singing the Blues when he hopes For Mechanical Watches with built In Anti Gravity NASA approved Radar with on coming Bullet Detection Technology with 'Halal' Pork Free Certificates ?
Hey ! Maybe my future watch needs a CRT-D ( Cardiac ReSynchronization Therapy with CardioVerter Defibrillator ) to jumpstart my heart in case it stops ?

BillyBlue Darling ,
1 ) People see timepieces as MasterClass collectables Works of Arts
2 ) Timepieces symbolizes Aspirational Contemporary Lifestyles . Think James Bond's Skyfall & Spectre ! They are also created to celebrate & pay homage to Vintage Classics. Aesthetically Pleasing Timepieces are more important to me than " implanting The High Tech Crap "

Billy Baby..I Respect Your Decision to Wait but The Rest of The Folks here can choose to ignore your advice....

Megan, although I agree that waiting for new watch technology has a similar productivity rating to chasing rainbows😉, if someone is concerned with the resale of their watch (which for me, ranks as 1% of my personal watch purchasing decisions), waiting for a METAS certification could, perhaps, possibly increase the resale value of the watch.

As you probably know METAS is not really new calbire technology per se, my understanding is that it is actually an improved testing and quality control procedure which allows Omega to implement additional regulation before the watches are released for commercial distribution. It is also of course very much a marketing move to make people aware as to how much Omega has improved through technological innovation since the quartz and non in-house middle ages...a message that is still getting out to the general public, for whom many Rolex is still the aspirational watch brand to celebrate any financial (or other) achievement.

I personally did not wait for the Tresor or SM300MC ranges to be METAS certified, before I purchased both watches in 2015, but I do understand the "resale" factor described above, which might be a concern for some. Cheers.

meganfox17 · Feb 17, 2016

Ok. Understood Riviera Sir. The problem is My Right Cerebral Hemisphere is More Dominant than my Left .. so i see things from a different point of View

Riviera Paradise · Feb 17, 2016

meganfox17
Ok. Understood Riviera Sir. The problem is My Right Cerebral Hemisphere is More Dominant than my Left .. so i see things from a different point of View

Megan, that is not a "problem"...as you well know it is just a different perspective and as I have mentioned before to you in another post..and I mean this sincerely...your posts are a refreshing change of thought from the more rational technical posts we see every day👍. I am left-handed so my brain is properly also wired in a different way😀

I think it is great for the forum to have new members bringing in new angles...for example my silly preconception would be that women would not be interested in purchasing Globemaster watch. I think some us might have to adjust our "macho" banter (me included)...this forum is not a "boys only" club and we should welcome diversity😀

Just please don´t call me Sir as I am only 40+yrs old😉

abrod520 · Feb 17, 2016

karalhoin
On a more practical note, I still have to go to an AD to see this watch, because the photos do not seem to show aspects I hear about (like how the dial changes color with angles, the textures, etc). I'm also concerned about the 44.25 size since I have skinny wrists, as well as the thickness. Maybe the black color and short curved lugs will cancel that however.

I had the same concerns, since the regular 42mm Speedmaster is about as large as I think I'd like to go.

Let me warn you first off, once you try this thing on you won't be able to get it out of your mind....

The bezel is around 41-42mm, and the watch wears around that size. It's very sleek and defies its "on-paper" dimensions.

Riviera Paradise · Feb 17, 2016

abrod520
I had the same concerns, since the regular 42mm Speedmaster is about as large as I think I'd like to go.

Let me warn you first off, once you try this thing on you won't be able to get it out of your mind....

The bezel is around 41-42mm, and the watch wears around that size. It's very sleek and defies its "on-paper" dimensions.

@abrod520 is bang on the money here. I tried the DSOTM on two days ago. As a casual/sports watch on my quite thin (but flat) wrist it worked perfectly, the bezel and black dial and strap all help to make it wear smaller than the case size and the Lug to Lug is only around 50mm think.

I just could not pull it off with a blazer or business suit, as it did look too large for that sort of look on my wrist (I had a black blazer on at the time), In my current location (Rio) I rarely get a chance to wear a leather jacket😀

If I was living somewhere cooler I would certainly consider purchasing the DSOTM for casual evening wear. With the ceramic case I would never treat it as a bash around sports watch as I do my SM300MC and EXPII. Cheers.

abrod520 · Feb 17, 2016

Riviera Paradise
I just could not pull it off with a blazer or business suit

Agreed, it's a much more casual watch than would work for an outfit like that. I think it's best paired with a T-shirt and jeans, maybe with a pair of Doc Martens on your feet - it's not my style so much, but I'm pretty sure any casual shirt with the sleeves rolled up and a pair of black boots would work.

The Dark Side, it should be said, is a watch that kind of influences you to think about wearing new styles. It's that cool

meganfox17 · Feb 17, 2016

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I assume You have visited the Beautiful French Riviera in Southeast France or it's a name of a Hotel in the Famous Beach Resort ? Sweet. I wont call You Uncle or Sir anymore then . .perhaps ..Monsieur Riviera then ? Ha6x!
Sweet. I get it. Monsieur Riviera is only 40 + yrs Young ! So Cute..

maxtor71 · Feb 17, 2016

@karalhoin @repoman

I've come to the conclusion that there's no sense, science or reason when it comes to the value of watches, in terms of where the world and people are these days (living on credit/in debt, a lot of people with new money, conspicuous consumption). The market is just driven by whatever someone will pay for something they love/want (i.e. if they have more money than they know what to do with). I thought there was some formula to it up until the recent Speedmaster auction. I own a fair few LE Speedmasters and I'm shocked at the prices that some of the pieces went for during the auction. There were some great watches (no doubt about that), some with a lot of provenance but seriously, I needed tools to pop my eyes back in their sockets after that auction - I expected a bit of price inflation but nowhere near the levels that I actually saw.

I had always struggled to figure out why certain Patek and Rolex watches hold their value so well because I found them utterly boring to look at, and they weren't really all that from a technical standpoint. I value historical provenance to some degree but there's a line. Today, even if a Paul Newman Daytona was $20,000, I'd say thanks but no thanks and go running to Lange or an independent brand. I'd say the same for any of the silly expensive 'collectible' Patek perpetual calendar chronographs. They're just not my thing but I know people buy these because they love them or think they are worth having or just because someone has told them they're fantastic and have to be in the collection. I'm very curious to see how this plays out because I suspect we're at the upper ceiling.

I heard from a few brands that they're increasing their retail prices this year, and I think that's a bit ambitious given the already cooling watch market. They're going to lose even more sales to ADs/the grey market who will offer these pieces at lower price points - I suspect when there are just a precious few people still going into boutiques and paying full retail, that's when things will change.

Max

off · Feb 17, 2016

Let's get back to talking about the DSoTM. I'm one of the people that is happy about the different variants that are coming out, especially the Pitch Black and the Vintage Black. Speedy's are meant for high visibility.

And as for the 9300, it is easily the most accurate mechanical movement I've experienced, never more than +2 per day against an atomic clock. METAS is a nice to have, but I'm not sure it is a must have at this point.

Unfortunately I may be in the same boat as the OP, I have 6.5" wrists, and if the lug to lug is more than 50mm I won't be able to pull it off. I am already pushing it with my GO Navigator (sorry for non-Omega picture)

Riviera Paradise · Feb 17, 2016

off
Let's get back to talking about the DSoTM. I'm one of the people that is happy about the different variants that are coming out, especially the Pitch Black and the Vintage Black. Speedy's are meant for high visibility.

And as for the 9300, it is easily the most accurate mechanical movement I've experienced, never more than +2 per day against an atomic clock. METAS is a nice to have, but I'm not sure it is a must have at this point.

Unfortunately I may be in the same boat as the OP, I have 6.5" wrists, and if the lug to lug is more than 50mm I won't be able to pull it off. I am already pushing it with my GO Navigator (sorry for non-Omega picture)

Love your Navigator👍

I am pretty sure the Lug to Lug on the DSOTM is 50mm or less. I wear comfortably a 42mm EXP 2 which wears big for a 42mm and the DSOTM is pretty much the same in terms of how it looks on the wrist. Cheers.

KstateSkier · Feb 17, 2016

I wish a DSOM would evolve itself into my watch case...

WatchVaultNYC · Feb 17, 2016

Alex_TA
I don't believe in appreciation of the watch which essentially made from reinforced glass.
Chances are that it'll just not be alive after 20 years.

The funny thing is that this may just be the reason that they will appreciate.

IF Omega stops making these, the supply will just get smaller and smaller because repairs are not as easily done as with stainless steel. Prices for pre-owned is basically a factor of demand vs remaining supply.

karalhoin · Feb 18, 2016

Still trying to find one in a shop nearby. It is tempting to order, but one should know better than to online order something like a pricey watch based on photos and youtube drooling.

I've heard many comments on how it wears small, not feeling 44.25 at all, so that will probably not be an issue. Not sure about thickness tho, I'm somewhat used to my current 13mm watch.The DSOTM is 16mm.

karalhoin · Feb 18, 2016

I've been looking around a lot and so far the best deal I found was -35% off the retail price (which is 10.300 Eur in Europe). The grey seller supplies it with a warranty card from an AD, so everything should be fine.

Will look a bit more, but if -35% is reasonable, then the only thing left is checking out the size/looks on the wrist. Would suck to get one and then realize how much I hate it. 😀

abrod520 · Feb 18, 2016

karalhoin
Would suck to get one and then realize how much I hate it.

I'd recommend stopping by an Omega Boutique or AD first, to be sure you're into it. As far as the concerns about height - again, as with its "on-paper" dimensions, it looks like it sits really low on the wrist. If it's actual clearance you're concerned about, it might be an issue, but its dimensions really shrink (visually) on the wrist.

alford78 · Feb 18, 2016

meganfox17
To Alford78
You are absolutely right bout DSoTM !
The newer ceramic models are Gorgeous frankly quite Stunning when seen in the flesh with the naked eyes.The Camera shots don't do any justice ....i guess the DSoTM models are not the most photogenic watches in the world...(Anyone disagrees if i say The Tudor Heritage Black Bay models are the most photogenic ? )

Hey Alford78 !!!

You Dig this Model eh ? Ha6x!
Sorry for the terrible photo
So Insanely Tough to snap Omega's Stealthiest watch !!
Price after discount GST incl ~ US9100 Omega Boutique , Penang Malaysia

Yea the Black Black will most likely be my next Moon watch purchase for sure but the original Dark Side is nice too so could end up being which flavor I enjoy more that day. Both shall become my precious' along with my GSOTM that rarely gets taken off the wrist.

I can get either of them for under $7500 USD any time so price isn't a deal maker/breaker.

alford78 · Feb 18, 2016

off
Let's get back to talking about the DSoTM. I'm one of the people that is happy about the different variants that are coming out, especially the Pitch Black and the Vintage Black. Speedy's are meant for high visibility.

And as for the 9300, it is easily the most accurate mechanical movement I've experienced, never more than +2 per day against an atomic clock. METAS is a nice to have, but I'm not sure it is a must have at this point.

Unfortunately I may be in the same boat as the OP, I have 6.5" wrists, and if the lug to lug is more than 50mm I won't be able to pull it off. I am already pushing it with my GO Navigator (sorry for non-Omega picture)

That watch in your pic wears a lot larger than the DSOTM series. JFYI