Morals and ethics are different that fake virtues.
Morals and ethics are different that fake virtues.
Just curious, but what are you hoping to accomplish with your line of comments? Are you genuinely hoping to convince people that they're wrong for feeling burned by buyers who have misrepresented themselves? Because I really don't see that happening with the way you're approaching it. Maybe you like seeing other people feeling hurt, in which case I'd ask that you just move along and find another forum to troll. I get the feeling that you'd feel more at home at https://reddit.com/r/RoastMe/.
Speaking from my perspective @oinkitt - if someone wants to buy low and sell high, that’s free market- we have all done that. It’s the deceptive practices which is the real issue that I feel is being discussed here. As posted in my example of the person who played on my sympathies with a fake story of poverty and family nostalgia- I felt abused when I realized he was taking advantage of my kindness to make a profit. If he had been upfront and said- “hey, I buy this broken stuff and flip it on eBay- will you cut me a deal if I bring you several pieces to repair and prep for sale”- I probably would have been happy to do it, and given him a discount...and we would have probably continued to do business happily. But it was the lie that got me...the story the deception.
Only because something is *not illegal* (i.e. buy from OF, resell at eBay/etc) doesn't mean it is morally correct.
I personally consider it morally despicable someone buying from an OF member and reselling for profit (i.e. flipping watches only for profit).
That story with your son is heartbreaking. My dad has an Explorer II that he inherited from his dad before him (never worn by my Grandad as he thought it was too flash for a Vacum cleaner Salesman and son of a bricklayer). I dread the idea that that would be flipped by some profit seeker.
The Speedmaster from his birth year sounds like a beautiful present though. It's the story you tell along with the watch that really adds value. I can imagine that he will treasure it.
Getting back to what happened to the OP, so.... he sold the watch at a forum collector price instead of trying to squeeze the last drop from the lemon. The buyer presented as a collector and the OP checked on him. A google search on the buyer last night came up with someone who matches who has a job; not 100% certain it's the same person but probable. The OP told the buyer he'd be willing to buy back the watch if he ever wanted to sell it and the buyer agreed, not something a dealer would entertain. So, on face value he's not a dealer. Like 10's of millions of others, possibly the buyer's financial situation is affected by COVID business shutdowns and job losses and he needs to sell the watch. A way for both sides to come out of this positively is for him to sell it to the OP at a price that works for both sides, or they agree to sell it on C24 and share the profits. This way nobody is left bruised and reputations are preserved.
But the buyer did not offer the watch to the original seller and chose to post it online for sale at double the cost. So, he's a dealer, or a liar, or both. But, if I recall the story correctly, the OP offered to buy the watch back if the buyer wasn't happy with it AFTER he saw it for sale online - but the new owner didn't take him up on the offer because it's all about the money.
But, if I recall the story correctly, the OP offered to buy the watch back if the buyer wasn't happy with it AFTER he saw it for sale online - but the new owner didn't take him up on the offer because it's all about the money.
Yeah, I’m not certain about the chronology of all this. OP wrote on page 1: “About 1,5 month ago i asked him, that if he at some point gets tired of the watch i would gladly buy it back. He said, "Will do !"”
I assumed from what OP wrote that this dialogue took place before the ad was posted on C24 because he told the buyer “if at some point...”.
If I wanted to, why not? There is nothing special about the OF.
I really dont know what his motivation is. But i guess he is planning to keep the watch, unless somebody makes him an offer he cant refuse 😉
Thats the last bit of our comunication :
I totally agree with keeping watches within the OF community when possible, but the watch is sold now - is it still appropriate to be pestering the buyer if he chooses to resell it? The deal is done, he can do what he wants with it, lesson learned.
