Why the Scorn for a Date Function?

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Sadly I’ve long since got rid of mine, which some day I will regret bitterly. But I struggled to read the date in that small register. That’s not the reason I got rid of it - the JLC MUT Moon I still have has the same issue!

one day the JLC will be upgraded to this and my eyesight will be spared.

 
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I stated
"Also if a watch has just begun to show signs of slowing down due to a weak spring or the lube aging the calendar puts enough stress on the system that it will be the first to fail, no longer changing the date or bogging down the movement and causing a unnecessary headache in the morning."
Since I've seen this first hand what makes anyone believe that it isn't true?
 
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I stated
"Also if a watch has just begun to show signs of slowing down due to a weak spring or the lube aging the calendar puts enough stress on the system that it will be the first to fail, no longer changing the date or bogging down the movement and causing a unnecessary headache in the morning."
Since I've seen this first hand what makes anyone believe that it isn't true?

What did you see?

Did you take the watch apart and diagnose that the malfunction you've experienced was caused by the two issues you mention above?
 
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I stated
"Also if a watch has just begun to show signs of slowing down due to a weak spring or the lube aging the calendar puts enough stress on the system that it will be the first to fail, no longer changing the date or bogging down the movement and causing a unnecessary headache in the morning."
Since I've seen this first hand what makes anyone believe that it isn't true?

Watches that need service, need service. If they have a date function or not is irrelevant.
 
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Indeed, it's all in the eyes of the beholder, prefering a clean symmetrical dial...
Remember when in 1952-53 Jean-Jacques Fiechter (Blancpain) and René-Paul Jeanneret (Rolex) designed a black dial diving toolwatch, it was intended & made for enthusiastic SCUBA-divers... so no need for a date function.
The date was later added in SubMariner & Sea-Dweller diving watches as professional saturation divers stayed weeks-on-end onboard commercial DSV - Dive Support Vessels working in pressurized diving bells and residing in the confinement of saturation chamber.
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Thanks for the Link - I enjoyed watching that... and thought provoking it takes 5 days to get them back to Sea level - a return trip from the moon is quicker. Also had never consider a hyperbaric lifeboat concept before (live and learn)
 
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I have always tended to go with a date function but have to admit it can spoil the aesthetic / balance compared to a clean and pure watch function. The Railmaster has grown on me for that reason (but I don't own one yet). Having said that A Lange and Sohne show even without symmetry ...with the right design with date is still be an amazing watch.
 
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What did you see?

Did you take the watch apart and diagnose that the malfunction you've experienced was caused by the two issues you mention above?
Give your alternative theory.
 
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Watches that need service, need service. If they have a date function or not is irrelevant.
Its relevant if the loss of power results in the watch bogging down and losing time overnight or stopping completely because it can not change the date.
If the movement has a hand winding option you can top up the mainspring before setting the watch aside for the night, in which case there might be no noticeable loss of time or stalling out, but that is not an option for many automatic watches, the older Orients for example.
My Orient is only a couple of years old and because when I got it new I had less mobility in my left arm It did not have enough power in reserve to change the date at night unless I manually swung the watch back and forth for five minutes or so before setting it on the shelf till morning.
I have more mobility now but I still would not trust it not to stall out unless I went to the added effort before going to bed.
I've had no such problem with my much older Midland which does not have a date function.
While watch winding stands are common enough among collectors they are not at all common among the average watch owners, and of course they are of no use at all for a hand winding watch.
 
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Fine on a daily wearer but, when you rotate through more watches than are possible to keep wound, the date function is a proper PITA. Looks much better without too.
 
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Its relevant if the loss of power results in the watch bogging down and losing time overnight or stopping completely because it can not change the date.
If the movement has a hand winding option you can top up the mainspring before setting the watch aside for the night, in which case there might be no noticeable loss of time or stalling out, but that is not an option for many automatic watches, the older Orients for example.
My Orient is only a couple of years old and because when I got it new I had less mobility in my left arm It did not have enough power in reserve to change the date at night unless I manually swung the watch back and forth for five minutes or so before setting it on the shelf till morning.
I have more mobility now but I still would not trust it not to stall out unless I went to the added effort before going to bed.
I've had no such problem with my much older Midland which does not have a date function.
While watch winding stands are common enough among collectors they are not at all common among the average watch owners, and of course they are of no use at all for a hand winding watch.

You seem intent on making a simple date complication out to be some huge liability. It simply isn't.

With this logic anything that could potentially go wrong should be avoided, so not date, no day, no moon phase, no alarm, not chronographs and on and on...seems bit ridiculous.
 
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My every day watch has a date, because as I get older I need to refer to it more often.....

I prefer dress watches not to have date because the design is generally cleaner. This one however gets away with it. (Zenith movement cal 2552C in 14k gold, circa 1970).

Very nice watch.
 
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If a watch has two incarnations one with and one without a date function, I will choose the watch without.
I think the dateless design represents a truer form of the watch.

yup
 
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I have no scorn for the date function, all my watches have it. Elves, on the other hand, give me the heebie jeebies!
 
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You seem intent on making a simple date complication out to be some huge liability. It simply isn't.

With this logic anything that could potentially go wrong should be avoided, so not date, no day, no moon phase, no alarm, not chronographs and on and on...seems bit ridiculous.
If you want all those complications by all means get them. If such complications did not require more energy from a mainspring and more likely hood of something going wrong, plus greatly increased service charges, then all watches might have them.
Some people like power windows on their automobiles, until the day comes when the windows fail and cost more than they are willing to pay to repair. next time they will avoid buying a used car with power windows.
A professional watch maker like yourself with connections for obtaining parts and tools and machinery for making some parts would be in a very different position than the average person who just wants a watch that will provide years of trouble free service, like still be running in the morning instead of stalled halfway through changing the date.
My Slava date only watch works fine for now. I recently found that these are modified from a day date movement that proved unreliable. Even simplified the Slava is known for failures of the calendar function.
The Slava differs from most calendar movements in that it changes date instantly when the hour hand reaches the 12 midnight position, no long drawn out change over several hours.
The movement also has twin mainsprings connected by an idler gear and a 42 hour reserve. So it has power to spare for a complication. Its also very accurate at +2 seconds per week if left in a 12 o'clock up position when not wearing it. Oddly it loses 15 seconds overnight if left dial up, since most watches gain time if left dial up. But it only loses time in that position so I never leave it dial up over night.
I have several calendar watches, some self winding, I just prefer a non calendar hand winder for daily wear. With positional error figured out for each I've found I can wear these simpler watches for months at a time without adjusting the time and they are never off by more than four seconds during the day and will make up those four seconds overnight when placed dial up on a shelf.

Different strokes for different folks.
 
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I have no scorn for the date function, all my watches have it. Elves, on the other hand, give me the heebie jeebies!

 
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If you want all those complications by all means get them. If such complications did not require more energy from a mainspring and more likely hood of something going wrong, plus greatly increased service charges, then all watches might have them.

The addition of a date does not increase the strength of the mainspring required, nor does it make service any more costly.

A watch stops when the load on the wheel train exceeds the torque supplied from the mainspring. This happens with or without a date function.

A professional watch maker like yourself with connections for obtaining parts and tools and machinery for making some parts would be in a very different position than the average person who just wants a watch that will provide years of trouble free service, like still be running in the morning instead of stalled halfway through changing the date.

If the average person keeps the servicing of their watch up, they won't have any issues provided the watch is of good quality to start with.

My Slava date only watch works fine for now. I recently found that these are modified from a day date movement that proved unreliable. Even simplified the Slava is known for failures of the calendar function.

The Slava differs from most calendar movements in that it changes date instantly when the hour hand reaches the 12 midnight position, no long drawn out change over several hours.

Rolex uses this style, and they are not known for having problems with the calendar function, so my advice would be to avoid watches with known faulty designs.

Different strokes for different folks.

Yes. But there is a difference between preferring watches without a date, and saying that they are necessarily problematic, which again they are not.
 
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Well I guess depends for the design aesthetics.
Some dial incorporates better the date window some not. And that can extremely subjective.

I don’t mind window date if is incorporated nicely in the dia.