Why the Scorn for a Date Function?

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My every day watch has a date, because as I get older I need to refer to it more often.....

I prefer dress watches not to have date because the design is generally cleaner. This one however gets away with it. (Zenith movement cal 2552C in 14k gold, circa 1970).

 
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I realized that I stopped setting the date a while back. Although I guess that is different to the aesthetics of the dial.

I used to think that the date dial or pointer date was too complicated but I have grown to like it.
 
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If a watch has two incarnations one with and one without a date function, I will choose the watch without.
I think the dateless design represents a truer form of the watch.
 
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My every day watch has a date, because as I get older I need to refer to it more often.....

I prefer dress watches not to have date because the design is generally cleaner. This one however gets away with it. (Zenith movement cal 2552C in 14k gold, circa 1970).

Dang thats nice! Is that considered a museum watch? It seems to predate them, o is that what the museum watch is based on?
 
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My every day watch has a date, because as I get older I need to refer to it more often.....

I prefer dress watches not to have date because the design is generally cleaner. This one however gets away with it. (Zenith movement cal 2552C in 14k gold, circa 1970).

That’s a nice looking watch 😎
 
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Dang thats nice! Is that considered a museum watch? It seems to predate them, o is that what the museum watch is based on?

Yes it is the Museum watch, designed in 1947 and selected in 1960 for the permanent design collection of the Museum of Modern Art, New York, (the first watch dial awarded this distinction), after which the watch became known internationally as the Museum Watch.

The gold sphere at 12 is standard, but in this version Movado/Zenith cleverly incorporated a calendar. I can't stand the modern iterations of this classic design because they are not well proportioned, if not downright ugly, but this vintage version ticks all the boxes for me.
 
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Beyond the mentioned inconveniences of setting the dates every time to decide to wear a watch you don't wear everyday there's the added likelyhood of a calendar malfunction increasing the difficulty and expense of bringing a vintage watch back to life.
I get the impression that in some cases a vintage movement might be repaired using parts from later movements based on the design, or from watches of other brands that used the same or similar ebauche . Calendar (wheels ?) seem less easily found in usable condition and more likely to bear different fonts than the original.
The plastic wheels look to be non repairable, they must be replaced.

Also if a watch has just begun to show signs of slowing down due to a weak spring or the lube aging the calendar puts enough stress on the system that it will be the first to fail, no longer changing the date or bogging down the movement and causing a unnecessary headache in the morning.

I suspect that calendar movements are a hair less accurate than otherwise identical non calendar movements even when in excellent condition. Though I'm sure this would be difficult to prove.
 
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I used to be very snooty about the DAY function on watches, I would laugh in a very patronising manner, sometimes even out loud.
But here I am five years into retirement and five months into Covid-19 social distancing precautions......
 
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Yes it is the Museum watch, designed in 1947 and selected in 1960 for the permanent design collection of the Museum of Modern Art, New York, (the first watch dial awarded this distinction), after which the watch became known internationally as the Museum Watch.

The gold sphere at 12 is standard, but in this version Movado/Zenith cleverly incorporated a calendar. I can't stand the modern iterations of this classic design because they are not well proportioned, if not downright ugly, but this vintage version ticks all the boxes for me.
I have never seen your reference before, and it is stunning. I agree the modern ones are meh, but the date at 12 incorporated like that is simple stunning.
 
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Beyond the mentioned inconveniences of setting the dates every time to decide to wear a watch you don't wear everyday there's the added likelyhood of a calendar malfunction increasing the difficulty and expense of bringing a vintage watch back to life.
I get the impression that in some cases a vintage movement might be repaired using parts from later movements based on the design, or from watches of other brands that used the same or similar ebauche . Calendar (wheels ?) seem less easily found in usable condition and more likely to bear different fonts than the original.
The plastic wheels look to be non repairable, they must be replaced.

Also if a watch has just begun to show signs of slowing down due to a weak spring or the lube aging the calendar puts enough stress on the system that it will be the first to fail, no longer changing the date or bogging down the movement and causing a unnecessary headache in the morning.

I suspect that calendar movements are a hair less accurate than otherwise identical non calendar movements even when in excellent condition. Though I'm sure this would be difficult to prove.

None of this is really true, with possibly the exception of issues with plastic date indicators, which are not common.

Cheers, Al
 
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I agree with the symmetry and convenience factor. However I still prefer a watch with a date window as long as it's tastefully done. It's really just personal preference.

Same! I insist on a date function when buying a watch, but it needs to be well-executed. For example, there are models of watches that I absolutely love, but a date function at 4:30 is a no-go for me.
 
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What ever floats your boat on this one. I find the one on my 16800 useful and personally have no issue with lack of symmetry. I do still wish I hung on to my 14060 though! The watch has probably only stopped no more than 10 times since the mid 1990's so no big deal winding the date on a notch every now and again....
 
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My Ex had a pre quickset Rolex day date... Every time she wanted to wear it, it took forever to set...

sounds like that’s some else’s problem now...... 😜
 
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None of this is really true...

I do miss that show! so now I come here ... 😜

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None of this is really true, with possibly the exception of issues with plastic date indicators, which are not common.

There are a few right here on OF :-



To @High Hope it's mainly what you grew up with and get used to. My first decent watch, and only for very many years, had no date and was 36mm (still is 😀), so that's what I prefer. However I don't want anyone to think I'm an old stick-in-the-mud, so I can reveal my most recent purchase has a date and is 38mm. Gotta go with the times 😁
 
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There are a few right here on OF :-


There is no denying they exist, but they are not common. The vast majority of watches out there that use a date indicator, use one made of metal (brass mostly). The plastic versions can be problematic, but most that I have come across in watches I've serviced, the plastic date indicator is just fine.
 
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For me its aesthetics. Ruins the styling of the dial and I'm not going consult a watch for the date. Am just OCD enough to be annoyed when I fail to set the date on a watch having the feature, but too lazy to want to make the effort. Have made a valiant effort over the years to avoid date watches, but a paltry few have crept in.
 
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You can have a Speedy with date and all the attributes you wanted. Here you go😀


Sadly I’ve long since got rid of mine, which some day I will regret bitterly. But I struggled to read the date in that small register. That’s not the reason I got rid of it - the JLC MUT Moon I still have has the same issue!
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I'm wondering why some watch enthusiasts so dislike the date function. I often hear "that's nice vintage diver; what a shame about the date."

I don't really understand. IIRC all of my watches but one have a date, some have a day/date. I bought a Speedy Professional because I wanted the iconic Speedy Hesalite, not an automatic, not a special edition, not a sandwich, etc. I am very happy with this watch, but nonetheless not a day goes by where I don't miss having the date function.

Is it aesthetics? Maybe there is dissatisfaction with the asymmetry of the window, or the additional complexity or maintenance, I don't know. So, I would love to hear why the date function can be so polarizing.

For me, a date is the single most useful complication. I use it every day. And having learned to love the cyclops, this is now my daily wearer... no problems reading the date here!