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mbeast
·Here's another with lug holes dangerously close to the end of the lug...
Why I Pay Attention to Crown Guards
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Darkhorse
·I’m no crown guard expert - are these on an Explorer II a bit worn down?
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wsfarrell
·Those are not horribly worn down, but they've certainly been polished and might be called "soft." Here's an unpolished Explorer II for comparison:
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Darkhorse
·You've got me on the lookout for these now. The case condition on the below is described as "outstanding". Could be the angle a bit, but...
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wsfarrell
·You've got me on the lookout for these now. The case condition on the below is described as "outstanding". Could be the angle a bit, but...
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S.H.
·The translation between words and reality is simple in fact :
NIB = barely worn
unpolished = polished
good = bad except if the seller is a nice honest guy, that happens, then it can mean excellent
honest = still some life in it
all other superlatives (outstanding, who uses that for a watch case?) = various grades of fubar
With those translated concepts you should be able to safely navigate the vintage Rolex world 😁
NIB = barely worn
unpolished = polished
good = bad except if the seller is a nice honest guy, that happens, then it can mean excellent
honest = still some life in it
all other superlatives (outstanding, who uses that for a watch case?) = various grades of fubar
With those translated concepts you should be able to safely navigate the vintage Rolex world 😁
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OmeGez
·The Explorer II’s mentioned above are different serials. You cannot compare the crown guards between those two.
On the 16570 they look okay. I’d like to see a different angle, though - as I can’t see the curved line on the crown guard, with it being in the shade.
On the 16570 they look okay. I’d like to see a different angle, though - as I can’t see the curved line on the crown guard, with it being in the shade.
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Linesiders
··Stripers, not snook.The Explorer II’s mentioned above are different serials. You cannot compare the crown guards between those two.
On the 16570 they look okay. I’d like to see a different angle, though - as I can’t see the curved line on the crown guard, with it being in the shade.
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wsfarrell
·This is trye - there are wild variations on the ExpII crowns and there is not enough info here for a proper comparison.
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WatchCor
·Did the DRSD's have thinner and pointier crown guards or are these just worn down? To my untrained eye they look very soft and unattractive.
Price to me seems astronomical but to the winner this was probably just another swipe of a black/centurion Amex.
Price to me seems astronomical but to the winner this was probably just another swipe of a black/centurion Amex.
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Burr
·Great reminder thread, gets even trickier with older vintage where some early models of certain references come with pointed crowns! But agree some of the pics in this thread are egregious!
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wsfarrell
·Did the DRSD's have thinner and pointier crown guards or are these just worn down? To my untrained eye they look very soft and unattractive.
Price to me seems astronomical but to the winner this was probably just another swipe of a black/centurion Amex.
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wsfarrell
·P.S. Another sad outcome of this auction is that people now offering double reds at $55k--$60k will feel justified in adding another $20k to their prices.
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Linesiders
··Stripers, not snook.Great reminder thread, gets even trickier with older vintage where some early models of certain references come with pointed crowns! But agree some of the pics in this thread are egregious!
Pointed crown guards are an entirely different style and usually (fortunately) are not confused with overpolished CGs
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whitewolf777
·In the old days, my it seems dad considered his Rolex watches (submariner) as tools and dress items like shoes. They got beaten up and scratched, and he would then polish them to look shiny, because like shoes shiny was important. When they became « over polished », it was time to buy a new watch and begin a new cycle. Little did he foresee that these tools would one day become cherished highly price collector items. To him they were tool watches unlike his dress watches that he cared more for 50 years from then, most of his tool watches are worth more than his jewelry dress watches, even in their beaten up state. Unfortunately he discarded most of them by giving them (scrapping them would more be the term), to whoever was there to collect one when he was finished with it. This includes a 5513, a sea dweller and a first edition Royal oak.
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Burr
·Pointed crown guards are an entirely different style and usually (fortunately) are not confused with overpolished CGs
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JwRosenthal
·In the old days, my it seems dad considered his Rolex watches (submariner) as tools and dress items like shoes. They got beaten up and scratched, and he would then polish them to look shiny, because like shoes shiny was important. When they became « over polished », it was time to buy a new watch and begin a new cycle. Little did he foresee that these tools would one day become cherished highly price collector items. To him they were tool watches unlike his dress watches that he cared more for 50 years from then, most of his tool watches are worth more than his jewelry dress watches, even in their beaten up state. Unfortunately he discarded most of them by giving them (scrapping them would more be the term), to whoever was there to collect one when he was finished with it. This includes a 5513, a sea dweller and a first edition Royal oak.
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Darkhorse
·How do the guards on this 16570 look?
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wsfarrell
·Tricky at those angles. I'd say polished but not horribly.
