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路I don't hate Rolex, I just like Tudor better..
Why do you not prefer Rolex?
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路Oh yeah, thanks for the fodder for the avatar message cannon @omega man! For a second, I thought to do something like "He's not Down with the Crown", but settled on one that is MUCH better. 馃榿
You have till Monday to set yourself an avatar before I set it.
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路EDITED. This post was a response to the original thread title "Why Do You Hate Rolex". The OP changed the thread title several hours / posts later.
I suppose the OP started the thread to discuss why some "hate" the Rolex BRAND, which could also be interpreted as "hating" not the BRAND but "hating" its more fanatical brand followers i.e the Rolex hardcore FAN-BASE.
I don麓t think anyone actually "hates" the whole Rolex PRODUCT range and certainly you can麓t "hate" Rolex THE COMPANY for having achieved continued success in the luxury watch / luxury segment by normal business practices and pursuit of excellence. As a business the Rolex COMPANY certainly deserves recognition and applause.
Like it or not Rolex are of course market leaders and THE reference luxury watch brand for the vast majority of people.This means that they will inevitably attract a certain consumer profile who value the luxury brand leader for its status symbol vibe / association with wealth (won麓t start the "bag thing" again here @Longbow馃榾 but Louis Vuitton does attract a similar profile I believe). These are often insecure people who have not had access to "culture" / general education etc and who often become obnoxious after acquiring some degree of wealth...not exactly the sort of FAN-BASE most OmegaForums members would admire馃榾
Another factor that also comes into play is that Leader brands tend to reemphasize their No 1. status, winner takes all etc, which will inevitably come across as an "arrogant" posture which some might find distasteful and yet others will adore...QED the "TRUMP" vibe thing.
So this then leads to the following paradox...you can actually like a given Rolex PRODUCT, but you don麓t want to be associated with the perceived arrogant Rolex FAN-BASE, as you consider yourself to be a more discerning, sophisticated individual.
So you start the "I hate" Rolex thing and purchase Omega / JLC as alternative watch brands in a similar price range to Rolex. If you do this (and I have been down this road), you are actually demonstrating your insecurity in terms of worrying excessively about third party opinions ref. the time piece on your wrist.
I believe I have got over the "I hate Rolex" phase and I can now safely state the following...I admire Rolex THE COMPANY and the following Rolex PRODUCTS in their current product range:
The 42mm Explorer 2 (I own and am wearing right now), the "corrected' 2016 Explorer 1 (on this year麓s shopping list), the new OP 39mm and the 40mm Platinum Day-Date. I consider many of these products to be best in class in their respective segments.
I do not admire the "perceived" Rolex FAN-BASE, even though there are many Rolex fans (many in this forum, for example) who do not fall into the obnoxious Rolex FAN-BASE categorization outlined above.
I admire the Omega FAN-BASE (generally more relaxed, less competitive etc.), the Omega PRODUCTS (I own five "modern" Omegas) as well as the Omega COMPANY.
BTW the fact the OP lives somewhere (perhaps Monaco?) were Rolex is considered a "daily beater", is clearly not a representative view of the wider global market. Cheers.
I suppose the OP started the thread to discuss why some "hate" the Rolex BRAND, which could also be interpreted as "hating" not the BRAND but "hating" its more fanatical brand followers i.e the Rolex hardcore FAN-BASE.
I don麓t think anyone actually "hates" the whole Rolex PRODUCT range and certainly you can麓t "hate" Rolex THE COMPANY for having achieved continued success in the luxury watch / luxury segment by normal business practices and pursuit of excellence. As a business the Rolex COMPANY certainly deserves recognition and applause.
Like it or not Rolex are of course market leaders and THE reference luxury watch brand for the vast majority of people.This means that they will inevitably attract a certain consumer profile who value the luxury brand leader for its status symbol vibe / association with wealth (won麓t start the "bag thing" again here @Longbow馃榾 but Louis Vuitton does attract a similar profile I believe). These are often insecure people who have not had access to "culture" / general education etc and who often become obnoxious after acquiring some degree of wealth...not exactly the sort of FAN-BASE most OmegaForums members would admire馃榾
Another factor that also comes into play is that Leader brands tend to reemphasize their No 1. status, winner takes all etc, which will inevitably come across as an "arrogant" posture which some might find distasteful and yet others will adore...QED the "TRUMP" vibe thing.
So this then leads to the following paradox...you can actually like a given Rolex PRODUCT, but you don麓t want to be associated with the perceived arrogant Rolex FAN-BASE, as you consider yourself to be a more discerning, sophisticated individual.
So you start the "I hate" Rolex thing and purchase Omega / JLC as alternative watch brands in a similar price range to Rolex. If you do this (and I have been down this road), you are actually demonstrating your insecurity in terms of worrying excessively about third party opinions ref. the time piece on your wrist.
I believe I have got over the "I hate Rolex" phase and I can now safely state the following...I admire Rolex THE COMPANY and the following Rolex PRODUCTS in their current product range:
The 42mm Explorer 2 (I own and am wearing right now), the "corrected' 2016 Explorer 1 (on this year麓s shopping list), the new OP 39mm and the 40mm Platinum Day-Date. I consider many of these products to be best in class in their respective segments.
I do not admire the "perceived" Rolex FAN-BASE, even though there are many Rolex fans (many in this forum, for example) who do not fall into the obnoxious Rolex FAN-BASE categorization outlined above.
I admire the Omega FAN-BASE (generally more relaxed, less competitive etc.), the Omega PRODUCTS (I own five "modern" Omegas) as well as the Omega COMPANY.
BTW the fact the OP lives somewhere (perhaps Monaco?) were Rolex is considered a "daily beater", is clearly not a representative view of the wider global market. Cheers.
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路i used to hate rolex until i owned one...
if we're talking about the stereotyped rolex owner that's a different story...
Until someone finds a style they like enough, and get a good enough deal to justify the price, it's easy to hate. But once you own one, you ask yourself "what was wrong with me, this is a damn nice time piece"
That's my experience at least...
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路I have no idea what this means
If you subscribe to most conspiracy theories it makes PERFECT SENSE. Even follows their usual grammatical structures.
Wake up, sheeple!
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路Thanks for all the comments guys! Its very very interesting to hear all of your stories regarding this issue...this is why this forum is awesome 馃憤
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路Kinda felt the same way too... I almost felt like I moved into it slowly over time. I finally said to myself one day "it's time to buy a Rolex" and I did. Ended up buying a white dial Milgauss and I love it. Craftsmanship is superb, and the Oyster bracelet is one of the most comfortable things I've ever worn in my life.
Until someone finds a style they like enough, and get a good enough deal to justify the price, it's easy to hate. But once you own one, you ask yourself "what was wrong with me, this is a damn nice time piece"
That's my experience at least...
Appreciation for the crown.
I STILL think YOU need a sub date or no date, and maybe an explorer. I keep telling you this. But youll get there.... Maybe you should borrow my 14060m for a weekend.
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路I don't hate Rolex (I own two) and I don't hate any watch brand. I don't care what watches people wear, nor the reason they wear them. A couple of weeks ago an old friend and I met up for lunch and he was wearing a new watch, something from Sweden. He looked at the Rolex I was wearing and said "I never got the Rolex thing." I just shrugged my shoulders and said 'whatever'.
I think you have the right approach and attitude! Cheers!
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路Well, I don't really hate Rolex so much as I am disappointed in their current offerings in juxtaposition with their historically valued models. But I will likely never purchase a vintage Rolex and here's why: Fakes. Rolex is such a popular brand that the fakes are so numerous, and so well-done in some cases, that for me to get to a point where I think I'm knowledgeable enough to feel comfortable making an offer on one would be just too much effort. Of course, it's easy for me to make this calculation as no Rolex model truly speaks to me the way others do (with the exception of the 1016, which is too small for my yeti wrists).
I agree that the vintage rolex world is scary because of the fakes out there...
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路If you subscribe to most conspiracy theories it makes PERFECT SENSE. Even follows their usual grammatical structures.
Wake up, sheeple!
And the eggs are chocolate!
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路I agree that the vintage rolex world is scary because of the fakes out there...
Its scary when you want a double red with tropical patina and all originalnparts for 2000 dollars on a hand shake.
You just have to play by the rules and not cut corners.
As an example. When @Archer who is arguable one of the most knowledgeable members around wanted a red line he still went through the process and asked and checked and verified and payd. If he does that with his level of knowledge then imagine what we should do with ours...
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路Thanks for all the comments guys! Its very very interesting to hear all of your stories regarding this issue...this is why this forum is awesome 馃憤
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路I think Rolex makes the best watch case in the business. However, some of the company's customer relations and marketing kind of rub me the wrong way. Also, they have chosen not to support collectors of vintage Rolex watches by having cut-offs dates for factory service, without at least affording most independent watchmakers the ability to obtain genuine Rolex parts when needed.
I'd be lying if I said that I liked the attitude of some (particularly modern) Rolex owners. That's not the fault of the watch or the company that made it.
gatorcpa
Do you mind clarifying customer relations and marketing? Is it the employees or the models Rolex pays? I can't speak too much about customer relations but I thought their marketing (using athletes like Roger Federer, Sharapova, etc) are kinda cool?
What do you mean by the cut-off dates?
Thanks!
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路No, its not. You just have to be willing to pay the right people and have things checked before and after by third parties. You add that to the cost of purchase.
Its scary when you want a double red with tropical patina and all originalnparts for 2000 dollars on a hand shake.
You just have to play by the rules and not cut corners.
As an example. When @Archer who is arguable one of the most knowledgeable members around wanted a red line he still went through the process and asked and checked and verified and payd. If he does that with his level of knowledge then imagine what we should do with ours...
Ok maybe I'm not talking about outright fake but non-original parts or touched up? I do agree with you. In fact, I only pay dealer premium for my vintage rolex because I'm worried about this. Having the authenticity guarantee is worth the premium imo.
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路Just as for any other brand, I like the vintage ones instead of the new ones. Like with Heuer, Breitling and Rolex.
So, I don't hate any brands...just prefer older styles on those brands.
I love vintage "dim" watches that is low profile and go unnoticed.
Most people who saw these watches will think it's just my grand father's -old-beaten up-out of date-watches that no one wants.
One of my vintage love is actually a Rolex Submariner 16800 from 1983.
I like this Vintage Rolex Submariner because it's hardly look like a Rolex, it just look like old beaten up watch.
How do you think?
Super lovely watch you have sir!
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路My old boss wore a fake submariner and I hated him. 馃槈 I don't hate Rolex, but they are a bit ubiquitous in society. There are only a handful of models that I'd probably go for and as pointed out there are a lot of fakes in the market. In their current lineup I like the Milgauss and Daytona and for vintage pieces I love the 1016, the 5513, and the 40mm polar Explorer 2. Where did you grow up where no one thinks of Rolex as status? Switzerland or the Middle East?
Old boss : did you tell him his submariner is fake? 馃槤
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